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Reply #90 posted 10/23/14 6:47am

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BartVanHemelen said:



OperatingThetan said:



What Prince is trying to do in my opinion, with the recent albums, is to deliver something tight and cohesive that works as a sequential listening experience. He's been accused previously, of including too much filler in his albums, particularly funk jams, etc. and not editing enough. AOA is an incredibly strong and potent journey that I wouldn't want to see diluted for the sake of 'bonus' tracks and padding. I'd quite happily take those songs on some kind of compilation designed for 'fans' though. Same goes for extended versions, jams and other experiments (such as 'Midnight Blues' on 3RDEYETV for example).



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The core problem is crappy songs, and that hasn't been solved. Sure, AOA seems to have been compiled with some thought in mind, more than previous records, but it doesn't change the fact the songs aren't good.


They are not good to you? The two disc have received good reviews and good sales despite an awful year for music sales and no promotion.
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Reply #91 posted 10/23/14 8:48am

treehouse

databank said:

it really started for me with D&P and the exciting years for me were the 90's, because I had the enthusiasm of youth and every new record was a new world to dive into.



Cool.

I think you have better associations with large dumps of Prince content then. Fans of that period also seem to have a bigger attention span. If you handed me a box of 100 new Prince songs, I'd have a hard time compling what I'd think were 2 solid records.

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Reply #92 posted 10/23/14 11:13am

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OperatingThetan said:

jasminejoey said:

Source?

That comment actually came from Jester in conversation with Funkenberry. Jester had just came back from Paisley and seems pretty connected and 'favoured'. Songs to be included on the album, including Big City, Shades of Umber and 2 Young 2 Dare have been confirmed in an email from 3RDEYEGIRL to Funkenberry and he's posted them on his twitter account.

Thank you, sir.

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Reply #93 posted 10/23/14 11:41am

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jasminejoey said:

OperatingThetan said:

That comment actually came from Jester in conversation with Funkenberry. Jester had just came back from Paisley and seems pretty connected and 'favoured'. Songs to be included on the album, including Big City, Shades of Umber and 2 Young 2 Dare have been confirmed in an email from 3RDEYEGIRL to Funkenberry and he's posted them on his twitter account.

Thank you, sir.

Thank you. Politeness is a virtue, at least here wink

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Reply #94 posted 10/23/14 12:08pm

databank

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treehouse said:

databank said:

it really started for me with D&P and the exciting years for me were the 90's, because I had the enthusiasm of youth and every new record was a new world to dive into.



Cool.

I think you have better associations with large dumps of Prince content then. Fans of that period also seem to have a bigger attention span. If you handed me a box of 100 new Prince songs, I'd have a hard time compling what I'd think were 2 solid records.

Another thing to take into account is how it got started and the insane quantity of Prince stuff I've been exposed to in the course of the first 3 years:

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Summer 1989: I buy Batman.

Mid-1990 to Mid-1991: I buy ALL the other Prince albums, every available video concert and films and 2 The Time albums.

Mid-1991-1992: I start getting old singles and buy bootlegs and more old side projects, + of course the new stuff (yeah, I DID have a lot of pocket money!).

Early 1993: I meet other, older fans who have loads of bootlegs, live and every outtakes available back then, + almost all the songs given to others and all of Prince's b-sides/extended versions: they make me tons of cassettes. I also finish buying all the side projects I hadn't found yet, and I keep buying the new stuff and boots.

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So by Summer 93, in the course of 3 little years, I had acquired:

- Every Prince album available, audio and video (that was probably about 150-200 songs at the time).

- Every side project (another good 150 songs I guess).

- Most of the songs Prince had given to other artists outside of the side projects (a few dozens I guess, not mentioning the non-Prince-related of those albums).

- Almost every b-side and alternate version from Prince's singles (another good 50+ tracks).

- Almost every outtake available at the time (there was already a shitload, I guess about 100 songs at the very least).

- I'd say about 30 live full shows on bootlegs, more or less (so that's a good 500 live renditions ormore).

TOTAL: live and studio more than 1000 songs (including live and alternate renditions) in 3 years lol

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And of course at the same time I'd say I'd bought a good 50 to 100 albums by other artists for good measure!

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So basically from the very beginning I was used to absorb a huge quantity of Prince music and I just totally fell in love with his music ALSO because there was such a great quantity to absorb, I mean compare with someone who became a fan, say in 84, and just had to absorb 78-83 in the course of the first few years, without boots or outtakes at first, and then got the new stuff every year as it came out, that's a completely difference experience. For me it was like swimming in an ocean of Prince music (and I was 16 in 1993, so the effect was multiplied by the romanticism of that age).

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I can't even imagine the madness it must be for a teen who becomes becomes a fan NOW falloff

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Reply #95 posted 10/23/14 12:44pm

luvsexy4all

laurarichardson said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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The core problem is crappy songs, and that hasn't been solved. Sure, AOA seems to have been compiled with some thought in mind, more than previous records, but it doesn't change the fact the songs aren't good.

They are not good to you? The two disc have received good reviews and good sales despite an awful year for music sales and no promotion.

if theyre not good ..they r not good....review or not.....14 of 25 tracks r good

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Reply #96 posted 10/23/14 12:58pm

treehouse

databank said:

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So basically from the very beginning I was used to absorb a huge quantity of Prince music and I just totally fell in love with his music ALSO because there was such a great quantity to absorb, I mean compare with someone who became a fan, say in 84, and just had to absorb 78-83 in the course of the first few years.....

Well honestly you're not alone in that regard. You just played catch up, but the older fans all had the same body of work to consume, they just lived through a couple short dry periods too, and it took more effort to acquire this stuff (though '93 at age 16, it would have still taken effort for you too!). Most of us traded tapes, and all the rest. I don't think there's normally a connection with discovering an artist who has a huge back catolog and more tolerance for their less popular stuff, I think it's probably just that new Prince music for you has always involved long track lists, and throwaway songs, and triple albums, and all the other idiosyncratic ways Prince has put records out.

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Reply #97 posted 10/23/14 1:17pm

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treehouse said:

databank said:

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So basically from the very beginning I was used to absorb a huge quantity of Prince music and I just totally fell in love with his music ALSO because there was such a great quantity to absorb, I mean compare with someone who became a fan, say in 84, and just had to absorb 78-83 in the course of the first few years.....

Well honestly you're not alone in that regard. You just played catch up, but the older fans all had the same body of work to consume, they just lived through a couple short dry periods too, and it took more effort to acquire this stuff (though '93 at age 16, it would have still taken effort for you too!). Most of us traded tapes, and all the rest. I don't think there's normally a connection with discovering an artist who has a huge back catolog and more tolerance for their less popular stuff, I think it's probably just that new Prince music for you has always involved long track lists, and throwaway songs, and triple albums, and all the other idiosyncratic ways Prince has put records out.

Possibly yeah, that or maybe just that in the end I happen to like Prince's music, as a whole, more than some others. I don't know I just try to imagine what it'd been like if I'd started in 99 or 09, the amount of music to absorb at once, I think it must be hard for the brain if one goes as fast as I did (which is made easier with the internet, if only economically speaking) lol

Still IDK how much of it is related to my "generation" as a fan or just my tastes. I often read people here writing they usually skip half albums, or dislike several albums entirely. I can't really think of many Prince songs that I dislike in the end, let alone full albums. There's some stuff I really love and some I just like moderately, but very little I totally reject. It all comes up to personal tastes I guess... but I feel blessed in the sense that it's been a lot of stuff for me to enjoy over the years biggrin

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Reply #98 posted 10/23/14 1:27pm

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laurarichardson said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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The core problem is crappy songs, and that hasn't been solved. Sure, AOA seems to have been compiled with some thought in mind, more than previous records, but it doesn't change the fact the songs aren't good.

They are not good to you? The two disc have received good reviews and good sales despite an awful year for music sales and no promotion.

AOA at number 37 now on the charts. Looks like it is going to exit in a hurry. Would not call that "good sales". Will probably go down as one of his all time worst selling records.

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Reply #99 posted 10/23/14 1:29pm

Marco81

luvsexy4all said:



laurarichardson said:


BartVanHemelen said:


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The core problem is crappy songs, and that hasn't been solved. Sure, AOA seems to have been compiled with some thought in mind, more than previous records, but it doesn't change the fact the songs aren't good.



They are not good to you? The two disc have received good reviews and good sales despite an awful year for music sales and no promotion.

if theyre not good ..they r not good....review or not.....14 of 25 tracks r good


Says who?
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Reply #100 posted 10/23/14 4:06pm

treehouse

databank said:

Still IDK how much of it is related to my "generation" as a fan or just my tastes.


Good point. From what I gather, you are a special breed of Prince fan. You have unique tastes and more patience tha most, from what I can tell.

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Reply #101 posted 10/26/14 4:01am

LIBRA

I think a lot of people on here will like it at first. That may change in time. Who knows.

But you can't go by what people HERE say cause we are all fans.

To the average person this CD sucks. But they also don't know Lenny or Billy Idol has a new CD out as well.

Truth is no one under the age of 26 really cares.

Everybody's lookin 4 the ladder, it's in the garage
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Reply #102 posted 10/26/14 4:23am

fnksoul

3rdeyedude said:

laurarichardson said:

BartVanHemelen said: They are not good to you? The two disc have received good reviews and good sales despite an awful year for music sales and no promotion.

AOA at number 37 now on the charts. Looks like it is going to exit in a hurry. Would not call that "good sales". Will probably go down as one of his all time worst selling records.



It's 2014, course it will records sales are low even for the biggest selling artits, Prince stopped being relevant to people other than his fans over 10 years ago. He did well to get two albums up in the top 20's to begind with. And what he has sold can go down as Good sales because there was little to no promotion, no radio play etc...

Its not 1980s anymore. lol

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Reply #103 posted 10/26/14 10:02pm

Scarfo

Again, many of ya'll are jumping on Bart, when he's making a valid point. The problem with Prince's music of today, is he's trying to sound like everybody else. AOA is full of R&B songs that could had easily been sung by any R&B artist of today. One of the few standout songs on that album is the very one that actually sounded like a real Prince song....and that's "Way Back Home." That song sounds simular to SoTT's "Starfish and Coffee". That's what many of his long time fans are not liking about Prince's newer music. If you like his newer music, then cool. Many don't, which is why Prince is largely selling less these days. There is hope, because those two unreleased songs, "Xcess Face" and "Revelation" songs like songs that only Prince can do.

[Edited 10/26/14 22:04pm]

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Reply #104 posted 10/27/14 12:06am

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Scarfo said:

Again, many of ya'll are jumping on Bart, when he's making a valid point. The problem with Prince's music of today, is he's trying to sound like everybody else. AOA is full of R&B songs that could had easily been sung by any R&B artist of today. One of the few standout songs on that album is the very one that actually sounded like a real Prince song....and that's "Way Back Home." That song sounds simular to SoTT's "Starfish and Coffee". That's what many of his long time fans are not liking about Prince's newer music. If you like his newer music, then cool. Many don't, which is why Prince is largely selling less these days. There is hope, because those two unreleased songs, "Xcess Face" and "Revelation" songs like songs that only Prince can do.

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Really? How do you make that connection?

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Reply #105 posted 10/27/14 10:19am

Scarfo

Rebeljuice said:

Scarfo said:

Again, many of ya'll are jumping on Bart, when he's making a valid point. The problem with Prince's music of today, is he's trying to sound like everybody else. AOA is full of R&B songs that could had easily been sung by any R&B artist of today. One of the few standout songs on that album is the very one that actually sounded like a real Prince song....and that's "Way Back Home." That song sounds simular to SoTT's "Starfish and Coffee". That's what many of his long time fans are not liking about Prince's newer music. If you like his newer music, then cool. Many don't, which is why Prince is largely selling less these days. There is hope, because those two unreleased songs, "Xcess Face" and "Revelation" songs like songs that only Prince can do.

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Really? How do you make that connection?

connection? I said it sounds similar. As in similar melody, sung very similar. If you disagree, then that's cool.

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Reply #106 posted 10/27/14 7:24pm

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SHT IT AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!!

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
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Reply #107 posted 10/28/14 3:39am

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Scarfo said:

Again, many of ya'll are jumping on Bart, when he's making a valid point. The problem with Prince's music of today, is he's trying to sound like everybody else. AOA is full of R&B songs that could had easily been sung by any R&B artist of today. One of the few standout songs on that album is the very one that actually sounded like a real Prince song....and that's "Way Back Home." That song sounds simular to SoTT's "Starfish and Coffee". That's what many of his long time fans are not liking about Prince's newer music. If you like his newer music, then cool. Many don't, which is why Prince is largely selling less these days. There is hope, because those two unreleased songs, "Xcess Face" and "Revelation" songs like songs that only Prince can do.

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aoa is prince's take on modern r&b...and he has done it very well indeed imo...the album is getting praise from prince fans generally and getting good reviews from critics...you will always get the minority who will hate everything...even on good albums like aoa..

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if some fans cant hear how good "way back home" and other tracks are on this new album are then they aint ever going to like anything prince releases from now on because they are stuck in the past imo..

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as far as sales go...cd sales have collapsed in the last few years...even i was surprised how much they have fallen in the last 5 years...so..yes..aoa will be his lowest selling album since the rainbow children and news but you can say that about every artists album sales now...albums aint selling anymore...

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prince will do well to get to 250,000 sales in america with aoa now...pe half that probably..still...number one album worldwide in its first week is still an achievement and its a good prince album which is all that matters really..

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Reply #108 posted 10/29/14 6:15am

RODSERLING

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3/ More importantly even: albums are works of art. Even if they remain mainly compilation of songs they're usually from a single set of sessions and put together according to a certain logic: there needs to be a certain cohesiveness and a certain pace: artists will decide which songs and in which order with aesthetic preoccupations in mind. From that point of view saying an album (that's not a compilation but a real album) should be 45 minutes to fill CD's is as nonsensical as telling a writer he should write 100 more pages because his novel is too short, or a director to shoot 2 hours of additional scenes because a DVD can countain more film: if an artist believes his album is balanced and his story is told in 30 minutes and that adding material would spoil it or break its pace, there's nothing to add to that, it's their "baby". AOA and PlecEl are 2 distinct projects with both their own pace and identity, the 3rd album will certainly be in another mood, so I enjoy being able to listen to those albums separately.

Seriously, you really see a cohesion between BOYTROUBLE and WOW ?

Between STOP THIS TRAIN and MARZ ?

Between FUNKNROLL and TIC TAC TOE ?

These 6 tracks are not even in the same music style.

Do you see a cohesion between AOCage and WAY BACK HOME ?

Between U know and GOld Standart ?

Between BREAKDOWN and FUNKNROLL ?

AOA and PE are no more cohesive than his previous efforts. By the way I can't see how a more cohesive album could win in front of a good heteroclite album. It would have been better if the less worst songs on PE and AOA would have been included on the same disc.

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Reply #109 posted 10/29/14 6:16am

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Cohesiveness does not mean same style/genre of music.

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Reply #110 posted 10/29/14 6:19am

RODSERLING

Scarfo said:

Again, many of ya'll are jumping on Bart, when he's making a valid point. The problem with Prince's music of today, is he's trying to sound like everybody else. AOA is full of R&B songs that could had easily been sung by any R&B artist of today. One of the few standout songs on that album is the very one that actually sounded like a real Prince song....and that's "Way Back Home." That song sounds simular to SoTT's "Starfish and Coffee". That's what many of his long time fans are not liking about Prince's newer music. If you like his newer music, then cool. Many don't, which is why Prince is largely selling less these days. There is hope, because those two unreleased songs, "Xcess Face" and "Revelation" songs like songs that only Prince can do.

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WAY BACK HOME is a rip-off of Forbidden Colours from Sakamoto ,surely not starfish and coffee.

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Reply #111 posted 10/29/14 7:53am

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Okey doke. hmm

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #112 posted 10/29/14 3:00pm

stillwaiting

Scarfo said:

Again, many of ya'll are jumping on Bart, when he's making a valid point. The problem with Prince's music of today, is he's trying to sound like everybody else. AOA is full of R&B songs that could had easily been sung by any R&B artist of today. One of the few standout songs on that album is the very one that actually sounded like a real Prince song....and that's "Way Back Home." That song sounds simular to SoTT's "Starfish and Coffee". That's what many of his long time fans are not liking about Prince's newer music. If you like his newer music, then cool. Many don't, which is why Prince is largely selling less these days. There is hope, because those two unreleased songs, "Xcess Face" and "Revelation" songs like songs that only Prince can do.

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The problem, is that Bart seems to suggest that every single Prince song since (insert year here), is HORRIBLE. A 0/10...not a 5/10 or a 7/10, but HORRIBLE.

I personally love most of AOA and PE...but I do DESPISE Prince pandering to young people who likely are not even 10% of his paying audience for the Auto-Tune, and the Stupid Horn at the start of Art Official Cage...

But when you tear apart the crap, you've still got some good songs...The Auto Tune is just so cringe worthy..it makes Tony M almost seem like less of an evil...

But he still has good songs.

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Reply #113 posted 10/30/14 1:22am

LIBRA

And the ONLY song getting some traction is not even on the CD'S!

FALLINLOVE2NITE was getting buzz. Lots on non fans were digging it and had national exposure.

But its NOWHERE now...SHOULD have been on the CD!

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Reply #114 posted 10/30/14 1:35am

Rebeljuice

LIBRA said:

And the ONLY song getting some traction is not even on the CD'S!

FALLINLOVE2NITE was getting buzz. Lots on non fans were digging it and had national exposure.

But its NOWHERE now...SHOULD have been on the CD!

Should be on the CD's? Noooooo! That song needs to be as far away from CDs as is humanly possible. Preferably buried in a deep, dark crevice somewhere in the Antartic, never to be seen or heard of again.

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Reply #115 posted 10/30/14 1:50am

fnksoul

LIBRA said:

And the ONLY song getting some traction is not even on the CD'S!

FALLINLOVE2NITE was getting buzz. Lots on non fans were digging it and had national exposure.

But its NOWHERE now...SHOULD have been on the CD!



It shouldnt have woudlnt have fit IMO it was cheesy commercial pop, and wouldnt have, because it was released through Epic records not Warner.

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Reply #116 posted 10/30/14 2:02am

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RODSERLING said:

Scarfo said:

Again, many of ya'll are jumping on Bart, when he's making a valid point. The problem with Prince's music of today, is he's trying to sound like everybody else. AOA is full of R&B songs that could had easily been sung by any R&B artist of today. One of the few standout songs on that album is the very one that actually sounded like a real Prince song....and that's "Way Back Home." That song sounds simular to SoTT's "Starfish and Coffee". That's what many of his long time fans are not liking about Prince's newer music. If you like his newer music, then cool. Many don't, which is why Prince is largely selling less these days. There is hope, because those two unreleased songs, "Xcess Face" and "Revelation" songs like songs that only Prince can do.

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WAY BACK HOME is a rip-off of Forbidden Colours from Sakamoto ,surely not starfish and coffee.

Well spotted!

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Reply #117 posted 10/30/14 3:06am

RODSERLING

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Cohesiveness does not mean same style/genre of music.

So what does that mean exactly lol ?!

Some songs are not even sang by the same lead singer on PE...TURNINROUND makes me cringe everytime I hear it on the album, like STOP THIS TRAIN, and BOYTROUBLE. These 3 songs are pure "what the fuck" moments.

What you call cohesiveness is nowhere to be found on PE and AOA.

The only part of cohesiveness is the voice of the girl that is exceptionnally boring. You can add it to Musicology and it will be as cohesiveness as AOA. I loved the storytelling on TRC, because it was Prince and the "story" was well builded (album-wise) nut seriously, on AOA I can't help myself cringing and sometimes laughing (sadly) when I listen to all the flaws on the albumS...

I still don't understand the crush on AOA on the org : too much autotune, too much crappy songs, too much bad taste effects (my god, this fucking horn on AOcage !), too much distortion, too much compression (GOLD STANDART is a torture to the hear with this horrible mixage) I'm still searching for good melody on this album

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