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Reply #180 posted 11/19/13 3:15am

chopingard

SpiritOtter said:

chopingard, I think Prince likes a little controversy, wouldn't you agree?

So you think he might of written ambiguously homophobic to get some publicity?

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Reply #181 posted 11/19/13 3:30am

SpiritOtter

chopingard said:

SpiritOtter said:

chopingard, I think Prince likes a little controversy, wouldn't you agree?

So you think he might of written ambiguously homophobic to get some publicity?

It has been P's modus operandi for over 30 years, so what do you think?

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Reply #182 posted 11/19/13 3:32am

honer

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Homophobic lyrics my arse!

Get off your high horses, they COULD be seen as homophobic but they could also mean a shit load of other things.

Its a good tune

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Reply #183 posted 11/19/13 4:13am

chopingard

SpiritOtter said:

chopingard said:

So you think he might of written ambiguously homophobic to get some publicity?

It has been P's modus operandi for over 30 years, so what do you think?

Well if that's the case isn't that just as bad

I prefer to think of it as a error of judgment about how lyrics are percieved and that a missunderstanding that something that seems perfectly fine to one group can have dark and painfull conatations to another. Something as I've said before he has touched on in his own work

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Reply #184 posted 11/19/13 4:26am

chopingard

honer said:

Homophobic lyrics my arse!

Get off your high horses, they COULD be seen as homophobic but they could also mean a shit load of other things.

Its a good tune

I'm not saying it's not a good tune I happen to love the music and vocal delivery, The tune is not the issue, lyrics with negative connatations is the issue. As you say yourself these are lyrics that COULD be seen as homophobic and if Prince has the freedom to speak them we have the freedom to discuss them.

Also the tune being good is neither here nor there, There are many songs with problamatic lyrics that have "good tunes". I love dancing to House Of Pains Jump Around but I cringe every time I hear him say "If the girl steps up I'm smacking the Ho" just one of a thousand examples I could give.

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Reply #185 posted 11/19/13 4:47am

meejaboy

Like the music and like the flow, delivery and generally interesting choice of words - so musically, and superficially, I like.

That said, while I do acknowledge that Prince has written about lesbianism before in songs like "Bambi", this does seem to have specific undertones of moral and/or religious disgust which I personally find quite distastful.

Whether you want to attribute this to his Jehovah's Witness faith (I can't say that I know enough about it to comment knowledgeably), songs like this, and those like "1+1+1=3" are genuinely troubling.

They are also damn funky and enjoyable to listen to (if not to think about).

Which does put me in a quandry about this sort of thing - Prince clearly has some views which I find objectionable, and which run counter to a generally liberal (in the broadest sense of the word) enlightenment view of personal freedom - so I tend to be somewhat conflicted about supporting him at times like these.

He is a very strange man - sometimes producing the most wonderful things, sometimes the most odd, and occasionally, the worrying.

But mostly wonderful.

[Edited 11/19/13 4:48am]

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Reply #186 posted 11/19/13 5:40am

iZsaZsa

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bennett said:

Frederick96 said:



bluefish said:


Being a Prince fan really drives the point home for me that I'd never want to be famous. People are so quick to judge you and assume the worst about you. It's really disgusting and somewhat frightening.



I agree with others who think the song is about feeling betrayed/played after being cheated on. The references to a "bearded lady" and a "dirty world" sound like he is talking about a "freak" in the sense of a promiscuous woman who has no sense of what it is to be faithful -- she'll sleep with anyone and everyone. Also, a "beard" could be a metaphor for the idea that the woman was "disgusing" her true self around him -- pretending to be faithful, while sneaking around behind his back.



Are the lyrics bitter? You bet they are. I know that if I had a girlfriend and found out she was cheating on me, my reaction (at least initially) would be harsh and spiteful. I think that's human nature.



[Edited 11/18/13 17:16pm]



Perfect....I agree

I agree. Prince has had a fascination with lesbians for years. Bambi, Loveleft Loveright, The One, Wendy and Lisa in the Revolution. He wants what he can't have. It seems to intrigue him. I think the song shows bitterness towards a cheating woman who he knows he can't truly have. He stated that the song is not prejudicial. The lyrics may not be overly sensitive but I don't believe they are homophobic. Besides, the groove is funky and addictive. I love it!

"The One"?
If U're looking 4 a man
U're looking 4 a man
Looking 4 a man
4 a man
A man
Man
"The One"? I don't get.
What?
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Reply #187 posted 11/19/13 5:44am

fairmoan

Love the music - let's have an album in that vein.

Lyrics? Well, it's a long way from Uptown...

I don't think Prince should be throwing stones about bearded ladies - there are plenty of occasions on which he might easily have been mistaken for one.

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Reply #188 posted 11/19/13 5:47am

vainandy

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Miss Prince said:

The bearded lady take me up to G

Yesterday you was kicking it with another girl
You were all wrapped up around her waist
last time i checked you said you left that dirty world
Well it appears that wasn't the case

hey I seen you undercover like the CIA
..... Just another rainy day

Just another bearded lady at the cabaret Charlesx3

Just another

Y'all do know that many queens call each other "girls" which is another sissy or queen just like they are? You got to get hip to the gay slang that's been around for ages. Miss Prince caught his rough trade with another queen and got jealous. evillol

Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #189 posted 11/19/13 6:22am

thedoorkeeper

I like how a carnival term has hidden meaning.

Let's play that out a little more:

Bearded Lady = lesbian

Snake Charmer = cock tease

Strongman = misogynist

Ringmaster = S & M

Lion Tamer = dominatrix

Concession Stand = sex toys

Ticket Booth = bondage

Carnival = sexual playground

I want to be your Lion Tamer baby/

Stop being such a Snake Charmer/

Or are you a Bearded Lady baby/

In your Concession Stand armour

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Reply #190 posted 11/19/13 6:23am

lagantest

I saw this in the paper this morning and so rushed online to download it.

I was excited as it said a 'guitar riff' funk etc.

Disappointed is not the word!

I am sorry but this again is that weirdly recorded (Where the sound doesn't quite sit right, sounds amaturish) the vocals seem pasted on. I personally feel that this is the worst song Prince has ever done. Or in recent times.

I sat there so bored from the first minute this morning. Was he singing or talking, or just randomly saying silly things? I dont know. It was uninteresting, uninspiring and totally pointless at this point in his career. Why he is pushing out this pap? I am sorry but i am tired of getting excited about faceless jams. Either be a live act or concentrate on making a decent song.

This kind of song should be part of developement not just releasing it for releasing its sake. This could have potentially been developed into something decent but again he just took the easy way out.

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Reply #191 posted 11/19/13 6:30am

Giovanni777

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One thing I can say about this little throw away jam, is that I like the guitar and bass... drums are a bit weak.

Has the hardest working musician/perfomer in history become lazy?

"He's a musician's musician..."
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Reply #192 posted 11/19/13 6:35am

lagantest

Giovanni777 said:

One thing I can say about this little throw away jam, is that I like the guitar and bass... drums are a bit weak.

Has the hardest working musician/perfomer in history become lazy?

I agree. Good guitar, which is quite catchy but the lazy drums, lazy bass, poor vocal delivery and poor mixing and production pulls it all down. I think he is incredible lazy in the studio now. And just ‘makes do’ Its like someone who becomes so arrogant with there work they think everything they produce is genius. Trust me I want something amazing to happen, but this isn’t not it. Its not even in the right direction. Its going backwards again.
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Reply #193 posted 11/19/13 6:50am

djThunderfunk

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double post

[Edited 11/19/13 6:57am]

Censorship is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is doing it or how noble their motivation.
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Reply #194 posted 11/19/13 6:55am

djThunderfunk

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vainandy said:

Miss Prince said:

The bearded lady take me up to G

Yesterday you was kicking it with another girl
You were all wrapped up around her waist
last time i checked you said you left that dirty world
Well it appears that wasn't the case

hey I seen you undercover like the CIA
..... Just another rainy day

Just another bearded lady at the cabaret Charlesx3

Just another

Y'all do know that many queens call each other "girls" which is another sissy or queen just like they are? You got to get hip to the gay slang that's been around for ages. Miss Prince caught his rough trade with another queen and got jealous. evillol

I was wondering how many posts it would take for someone to say that he's not homophobic because he's gay.

You can go back to your MJ records now...

troll

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Reply #195 posted 11/19/13 7:11am

KCOOLMUZIQ

Prince's 'Da Bourgeoisie' Tells Story Of Being Dumped For A Girl

Posted: 11/18/2013

Prince, a.k.a. the artist formerly known as The Artist FormerlyKnown As Prince, released a new song on Monday, titled "Da Bourgeoisie." The track is a tale of heartache in the wake of a lover leaving him for a woman. Besides being impossible to spell, the song is a deliciously funky cut with some bitter lyrics: "I guess a man is only good for a rainy day / Maybe you're just another bearded lady at the cabaret."

The press haS caught on to the new Prince cut! Its turning into a MASSIVE HIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost..._hp_ref=tw

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #196 posted 11/19/13 7:14am

luvsexy4all

  • how u peope ipick apart his songs....enjoy the rawness to it
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Reply #197 posted 11/19/13 7:19am

vainandy

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djThunderfunk said:

vainandy said:

Y'all do know that many queens call each other "girls" which is another sissy or queen just like they are? You got to get hip to the gay slang that's been around for ages. Miss Prince caught his rough trade with another queen and got jealous. evillol

I was wondering how many posts it would take for someone to say that he's not homophobic because he's gay.

You can go back to your MJ records now...

troll

I'm not defending that confused closet queen by no means. He's definitely homophobic. It's called self hate.

Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #198 posted 11/19/13 7:29am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince's 'Da Bourgeoisie' Tells Story Of Being Dumped For A Girl



Posted: 11/18/2013







Prince, a.k.a. the artist formerly known as The Artist FormerlyKnown As Prince, released a new song on Monday, titled "Da Bourgeoisie." The track is a tale of heartache in the wake of a lover leaving him for a woman. Besides being impossible to spell, the song is a deliciously funky cut with some bitter lyrics: "I guess a man is only good for a rainy day / Maybe you're just another bearded lady at the cabaret."





The press haS caught on to the new Prince cut! Its turning into a MASSIVE HIT!!!!!










http://www.huffingtonpost..._hp_ref=tw


A mention in huffpost does not constitute a massive hit...calm down.


Have u seen the trite spilling out their servers?
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Reply #199 posted 11/19/13 7:30am

KCOOLMUZIQ

vainandy said:

Miss Prince said:

The bearded lady take me up to G

Yesterday you was kicking it with another girl
You were all wrapped up around her waist
last time i checked you said you left that dirty world
Well it appears that wasn't the case

hey I seen you undercover like the CIA
..... Just another rainy day

Just another bearded lady at the cabaret Charlesx3

Just another

Y'all do know that many queens call each other "girls" which is another sissy or queen just like they are? You got to get hip to the gay slang that's been around for ages. Miss Prince caught his rough trade with another queen and got jealous. evillol

Prince is not GAY!!!Stop trying to convert everybody to your society......rolleyes

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #200 posted 11/19/13 7:32am

luvsexy4all

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

vainandy said:

Y'all do know that many queens call each other "girls" which is another sissy or queen just like they are? You got to get hip to the gay slang that's been around for ages. Miss Prince caught his rough trade with another queen and got jealous. evillol

Prince is not GAY!!!Stop trying to convert everybody to your society......rolleyes

  • ...maybe its the same asshole who ILLEGALLY posted im gay on my facebook....
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Reply #201 posted 11/19/13 7:36am

vainandy

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

vainandy said:

Y'all do know that many queens call each other "girls" which is another sissy or queen just like they are? You got to get hip to the gay slang that's been around for ages. Miss Prince caught his rough trade with another queen and got jealous. evillol

Prince is not GAY!!!Stop trying to convert everybody to your society......rolleyes

Convert? I do my whoring on the corner and they come to me on their own free will. I've never gone door to door to do the work. Although, it sounds like it might be fun. evillol

Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #202 posted 11/19/13 7:38am

KCOOLMUZIQ

luvsexy4all said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince is not GAY!!!Stop trying to convert everybody to your society......rolleyes

  • ...maybe its the same asshole who ILLEGALLY posted im gay on my facebook....

eek

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #203 posted 11/19/13 7:41am

KCOOLMUZIQ

vainandy said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince is not GAY!!!Stop trying to convert everybody to your society......rolleyes

Convert? I do my whoring on the corner and they come to me on their own free will. I've never gone door to door to do the work. Although, it sounds like it might be fun. evillol

disbelief

That is too much information for my "virgin" ears.... giggle

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #204 posted 11/19/13 7:59am

theblueangel

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chopingard said:

SpiritOtter said:

It has been P's modus operandi for over 30 years, so what do you think?

Well if that's the case isn't that just as bad

I prefer to think of it as a error of judgment about how lyrics are percieved and that a missunderstanding that something that seems perfectly fine to one group can have dark and painfull conatations to another. Something as I've said before he has touched on in his own work

To my thinking, if he recorded a song with homophobic lyrics with the intent of being controversial, that's even worse than if they accurately reflect his thoughts.

The "Family Name" comparison is apt. How would he feel if someone decided to call him derogatory racial names "just to stir up some controversy"? Absurd.

No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.

Sex is not love. Love is not sex. Putting words in other people's mouths will only get you elected.

Need more sleep than coke or methamphetamine.
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Reply #205 posted 11/19/13 8:19am

coffeebreak

I can't see what's all the fuss about. It's a demo, so it has a rough sound, which I don't dislike, but anyway.

The story is simple: a man is angry to a girl who made him believe she wanted him, and instead is cheating on him with other girl/s.

If she cheated with another guy, nobody would complain (and it would be nothing new, too).

What's interesting is I never heard a song in which Prince speaks about male homosexuality explicitly, while it's at least the second song about lesbians (Bambi being n.1).

Still it doesn't seem homophobic to me, a cheater is a cheater and yes lesbian sex can be dirty as much as eterosexual sex. Especially if you're cheating on someone. If he's calling his ex a "bearded woman" it's surely quite offensive, but he called someone "sexy motherfucker" and another one "irresistible bitch" so I can't say I'm surprised. razz

The title seems to hint we should think about it as metaphorical, though. WHich at the moment I'm absolutely unable to do, due to ill kids and sleepless nights, so I'll just enjoy the funk.

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Reply #206 posted 11/19/13 8:23am

djThunderfunk

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vainandy said:

djThunderfunk said:

I was wondering how many posts it would take for someone to say that he's not homophobic because he's gay.

You can go back to your MJ records now...

troll

I'm not defending that confused closet queen by no means. He's definitely homophobic. It's called self hate.

You wish.

wink

When I was in high school many people would throw around the "Prince is gay" BS to belittle Prince or bully those of us that liked him into being ashamed of being a fan.

Now you have picked up that ball and ran with it.

Hope it makes you feel special.

loser

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Reply #207 posted 11/19/13 8:28am

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The track gets a mention at A.V. Club:

http://www.avclub.com/article/hear-princes-funky-new-track-da-bourgeoisie-105771

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Reply #208 posted 11/19/13 9:50am

undertheesea

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Homophobic lyrics my arse!

Get off your high horses, they COULD be seen as homophobic but they could also mean a shit load of other things.

Its a good tune

true that.... nod

I havent heard the "tune" but i agree with the rest of what you said.

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Reply #209 posted 11/19/13 10:11am

TrevorAyer

prince seems to get left for women a lot

"u and ur girlfriend never ever been strait"

"that wasn't your dress you had on, it wasn't your perfume"

all in all this song is just another song where prince sounds stupid using phrases from cultures he is not apart of and clearly knows nothing about .. its like when he tries to sound all hip hop and he just sounds stupid .. or when he tries to sound like he knows what the bible is all about and he just sounds like he is repeatings something someone else told him to say .. none of it sounds genuine or from a place of knowing .. it sounds like it comes from a place of condescension .. like princey thinks he knows best but he really doesn't know much of anything anymore, including how to write a song that does not suck

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