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Thread started 05/02/02 4:01pm

BNATURAL

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What is Prince's most innovative song?

what song made him stand out amongst musicians and songwriters as being different and fresh?
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Reply #1 posted 05/02/02 4:09pm

Epigram

Kiss.....
But then I guess this dont count, seeing as it wasnt really his version.

Sign Of The Times is still a very original sounding track.

So 2 is Pink Cashmere.....

I would give it 2 Little Red Corvette though.
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Reply #2 posted 05/02/02 4:12pm

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Well...if your talking only is most popular songs, then I would say When Doves Cry.
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Reply #3 posted 05/02/02 4:26pm

purpleleaf7

divo02 said:

Well...if your talking only is most popular songs, then I would say When Doves Cry.


I think I agree with ya, but dag, he has so many!!!

He's the only one we can't put the limits to...smile
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Reply #4 posted 05/02/02 4:29pm

Electric1

I'd say "Crystal Ball".Just listen 2 all the different inst. being used.I would have loved 2 be in the studio 4 that 1
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Reply #5 posted 05/02/02 4:39pm

BNATURAL

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divo02 said:

Well...if your talking only is most popular songs, then I would say When Doves Cry.


yeah from the opening to just the drum track i would say that song also
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Reply #6 posted 05/02/02 4:40pm

Snake

Life can be so nice and Tamborine.
We all want a big hit again because
we want to relive the Hysteria & Pandemonium we experienced
when Purple Rain was Hot. Actually, he doesn't care if it happens again or not.
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Reply #7 posted 05/02/02 4:46pm

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[b]Here is THE MOST WEIRD PRINCE MUSIC TOP:

-Darling Nikky (all versions)
- When Doves Cry
- Pailsey Park
- Raspberry Berret
- Shokadelika
- New Position
- Love Byzare
- Tricky (the bootleg with Morris Day)
- Man In Uniform
- Heaven Over U (the bootleg)
- Strange But True
- Sadomajistic Grrove
- Rock Hard In a Funky Place
- Superfunkycalyfragisexy (hup?)
- If I was Your Girlfriend
- Sign Of The Time
- I Wish You Heaven Part 3
- Something In The Water
- Kiss (Maxi version)
- HouseQuake
- 1999
- Automatic
- Pussy Control
- 8
- Blue Limosine/Vibrator
- Dream Factory


Have better?
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Reply #8 posted 05/02/02 5:24pm

Berry

1999 and Little Red Corvette
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Reply #9 posted 05/02/02 5:33pm

CrazyCaGuy6160

well if I was 2 pick a song that introduced new ideas hince innovative I would say something off .... sign of the times like "Sign Of the times" or "If I was Ur Girlfriend" Or maybe something off Parade ... Like "Kiss" member the 1st time U heard kiss???? Uh HUH !!!
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Reply #10 posted 05/02/02 5:42pm

MonacoStarr17

When doves Cry. End of story
Self preservation is a full-time occupation.
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Reply #11 posted 05/02/02 8:55pm

wellbeyond

"Something In The Water"...
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Reply #12 posted 05/04/02 6:36pm

Thumparello

I think the one that really got people's attention was Controversy. That nasty synthed out heavy funk lead to 1999 lp. 1999 was pretty innovative, it lead to a new fresh funk sound in particularly black music. Everyone else had for the most part imitated the sound of Parliament/Funkadelic...Rick James, the Gap Band etc were doing the P-Funk thang. Prince came with something new but still had the elements of JB,Sly,P-Funk,Hendrix but was fresh and didn't sound like he was coping nobody.
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Reply #13 posted 05/04/02 7:12pm

Cornerman

Epigram said:

Kiss.


Kiss is just 12 bar blues. It's not innovative unless it's innovative to take a guitar out of a blues song.
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Reply #14 posted 05/04/02 7:18pm

Cornerman

Really I have to say that the most innovative song in my mind was BatDance, and don't take that to mean I really like it, cause I don't exactally care for it. But stringing together a bunch of samples into a 6 minute track and having it be a #1 hit is innovative.
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Reply #15 posted 05/05/02 11:25am

purpleone

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crystal ball.. hands down.
don't need no reefer, don't need cocaine
purple music does the same to my brain
i'm high, so high
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Reply #16 posted 05/05/02 1:27pm

ralovely

definitely When Doves Cry

We must replace each song in his context.
In 1984 ... When Doves Cry !! WWWOOOOOWWWWW

It's much more complicate to be innovative now.

It's songs like When Doves Cry that made guys like Aphex Twin...
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Reply #17 posted 05/05/02 1:41pm

RaneStarr

1999
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Reply #18 posted 05/05/02 1:47pm

Natsume

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Cornerman said:

Really I have to say that the most innovative song in my mind was BatDance, and don't take that to mean I really like it, cause I don't exactally care for it. But stringing together a bunch of samples into a 6 minute track and having it be a #1 hit is innovative.


BatDance is such a ridiculous song (in a good way). The video is hilarious! Did it really make it to #1? I had no idea. My non-Prince friends love the song way more than I do. Maybe it's music for the masses.

Anyway, I would say When Doves Cry - didn't he take out the bassline?
[This message was edited Sun May 5 19:51:34 PDT 2002 by Natsume]
I mean, like, where is the sun?
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Reply #19 posted 05/05/02 6:28pm

Supernova

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Cornerman said:

Epigram said:

Kiss.


Kiss is just 12 bar blues. It's not innovative unless it's innovative to take a guitar out of a blues song.


Rhythmically it's innovative. Listen to the way the high hat is programmed, listen to the sandpaper-like rhythm. Part of what makes Prince special is how he gets unconventional sounds and voicings out of his instrumentation.

Natsume said:
BatDance is such a ridiculous song (in a good way). The video is hilarious! Did it really make it to #1?


Yes.

Anyway, I would say When Doves Cry - didn't he take out the bassline?


Yes.
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Reply #20 posted 05/05/02 7:39pm

Cornerman

I guess you're right Supernova, Kiss does disquise it's roots rather well and create a feeling that most other songs do not have. It was also a number one single which leads me to ask, isn't it strange that Princes most innovative tracks love them or leave them have been #1's?

Examples:

WDC - taking out the bass line, the length, the subject matter, all of these were innovations.

Let's Go Crazy - now technically this is a rock song, but I play guitar and it's written all wrong, transposed down a half-step (pre-Nirvana) and that solo, that was such and awesome harsh tone! That screechy tele through plexi sounding, who else ever made a hit with that kind of guitar tone in it? It's not even a conventional Vs. chorus Vs. structure either.

Kiss - we just dicussed

SOTT - that song is so strange, have you ever heard another song like "sign" ? Simplistic, edgy, it's a great track and people bought it.

Batdance - By all standards should never have been a number one single. 200 Balloons was a better song and that was the B-side.
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Reply #21 posted 05/05/02 7:40pm

Cornerman

Hey, was Theives a #1? Cause that was an odd little song too.
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Reply #22 posted 05/05/02 8:07pm

SexLovely

No Theives was just inside the Top Ten I think.
And your forgetting that Prince DIDNT actually create that distinctive, scratchy, funkness on Kiss.....

Prince gave Matarazi an acoustic version of Kiss 2 them 2 use 4 their album.....they made Kiss in2 virtually what we no it as.....Prince liked what they did, stole it back, put better guitar 2 it + solo.....and sang an octave higher.

"gatering" I think they called it.
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Reply #23 posted 05/05/02 10:17pm

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SexLovely said:

And your forgetting that Prince DIDNT actually create that distinctive, scratchy, funkness on Kiss.....

Prince gave Matarazi an acoustic version of Kiss 2 them 2 use 4 their album.....they made Kiss in2 virtually what we no it as.....Prince liked what they did, stole it back, put better guitar 2 it + solo.....and sang an octave higher.

"gatering" I think they called it.


I'll take your word for it, but just going by some of the material he did either alone or virtually alone, I'm not convinced that's true. It's a gate effect.

Cornerman said:
Let's Go Crazy - now technically this is a rock song, but I play guitar and it's written all wrong, transposed down a half-step (pre-Nirvana) and that solo, that was such and awesome harsh tone! That screechy tele through plexi sounding, who else ever made a hit with that kind of guitar tone in it? It's not even a conventional Vs. chorus Vs. structure either.


I like the 12" version and the way he plays the riff from Vanity 6's "Drive Me Wild" in the middle of it. And that staccato piano too.

SOTT - that song is so strange, have you ever heard another song like "sign" ? Simplistic, edgy, it's a great track and people bought it.


Minimalist, like Doves and Kiss - to an extent.

Batdance - By all standards should never have been a number one single. 200 Balloons was a better song and that was the B-side.


I had forgotten this was a #1 til Natsume brought it up. I can't even remember what 200 Balloons sounds like.
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Reply #24 posted 05/06/02 11:38am

Cornerman

Supernova said:

Corneman said:

Batdance - By all standards should never have been a number one single. 200 Balloons was a better song and that was the B-side.


I had forgotten this was a #1 til Natsume brought it up. I can't even remember what 200 Balloons sounds like.


Actually I brought it up, she asked if I was telling the truth. You should check out 200 Balloons, it's on the "B-sides" disc. Otherwise download it.
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