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Reply #120 posted 07/18/19 11:33am

violetcrush

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, all good points here. I think also, Susan was just 16 when she first met Prince in '79/'80 (per the Biographies), and the amount of emotional, physical, and intellectual changes we go through between the ages of 16-25 yrs is quite immense. I'm sure she was swept up in that meteoric rising of Prince as well. Every year it got bigger and bigger until the PR explosion. They were all riding that wave with him, and navigating all of the drama that came with that situation - both on a professional and personal level. I think Susan, for Prince, represented that sweet innocence and a period of time when he was still relatively unknown - as compared to the 1983-85 period. They had that bond.

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I honestly think, with regard to Susannah, he was just straight-up blindsided by intense feelings that were more than just physical. He knew and got close to her long before the physical intimacy happened, which I think makes a big difference. The story is that he loved Wendy's personality, humor and intellect - then he met her twin who had all of the same traits, and was also heterosexual. I think to him she had that mind/body package that he wanted.

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The jealousy and spite toward Susannah that seems to resonate with Jill may be tied to her knowing his depth of feeling for her, or the fact that her time with him took a back seat during that period. Hard to say for sure, because it's not really been specified - just many cryptic digs and insinuations.

Yeah, and Prince was close with the families of the Revolution members too and especially Wendy Susannah & Jonathon, along with David & Lisa Coleman.

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So it wasn't just romantic stuff, it was family. Prince dedicated The Love We Make to Jonathan. And of course In This Bed... to Susannah Wendy & Lisa

Yes, the family attachment was strong and lasting. He dedicated SISIA to David at his LA Musicology show. Very touching and he was clearly emotional during that song.

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I think the complexities came in when Prince wanted to separate Susannah from her family - he wanted that control over her. As Susannah stated, "there was no sharing me..." and "I was an identical twin and very close to my family...that got complicated for him." So it seems as Prince's relationship with Susannah became stronger and more conflicted that "family dynamic" started to unravel.

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Reply #121 posted 07/18/19 11:53am

PeggyO

I have some sympathy for Jill in this context; I'm sure it was a heady time and there were alot of emotions all around.

I just wish she would have been able to let it go and move on as it seemed to be damaging to her.

Susan M was very much in the PR era as she was a member of Vanity 6. She eventually deferred to Vanity re: Prince and opted for a platonic relationship which, I think, upset him and contributed to the lyrics in "When Doves Cry"

I know I can't compare my early/mid-twenties to the experiences of these women, though I did have a superlative time; had a chance to travel widely, go to lots of clubs, have exciting boyfriends, work in several cities etc., etc. But, this life is in the distant past and though my current life is not as glamorous, I am enjoying this time even more; have children/family etc.

This is just my interpretation...Both Prince and Susan M seemed to be able to move on (IMO) and the others seem trapped in that time and are currently jockeying for position.(I think Susannah is just a bit more subtle) For clarification, I am speaking about Jill, Apples, Susannah, and at a later date, Mayte,( Manuela to a lesser degree), etc.

I just find it interesting who was able to move on more successfully. I think Carmen E did a good job.

also, Andy Allo.

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, all good points here. I think also, Susan was just 16 when she first met Prince in '79/'80 (per the Biographies), and the amount of emotional, physical, and intellectual changes we go through between the ages of 16-25 yrs is quite immense. I'm sure she was swept up in that meteoric rising of Prince as well. Every year it got bigger and bigger until the PR explosion. They were all riding that wave with him, and navigating all of the drama that came with that situation - both on a professional and personal level. I think Susan, for Prince, represented that sweet innocence and a period of time when he was still relatively unknown - as compared to the 1983-85 period. They had that bond.

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I honestly think, with regard to Susannah, he was just straight-up blindsided by intense feelings that were more than just physical. He knew and got close to her long before the physical intimacy happened, which I think makes a big difference. The story is that he loved Wendy's personality, humor and intellect - then he met her twin who had all of the same traits, and was also heterosexual. I think to him she had that mind/body package that he wanted.

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The jealousy and spite toward Susannah that seems to resonate with Jill may be tied to her knowing his depth of feeling for her, or the fact that her time with him took a back seat during that period. Hard to say for sure, because it's not really been specified - just many cryptic digs and insinuations.

Yeah, and Prince was close with the families of the Revolution members too and especially Wendy Susannah & Jonathon, along with David & Lisa Coleman.

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So it wasn't just romantic stuff, it was family. Prince dedicated The Love We Make to Jonathan. And of course In This Bed... to Susannah Wendy & Lisa

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Reply #122 posted 07/18/19 12:11pm

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Yes, I sympathized with Jill too. But the vicious stuff was too much. No one actually talks about her or any other women for that matter. Just her, and it doesn't look good.
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Yes Susan was but I still think she saw Prince's stuff prior to the Reign falling. When you see it early it's easy to detach. Hell lol look at how vicious Prince fans have been to each other, to Prince's sister and to almost anyone associated with Prince.

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I think post Prince's death, those who performed recorded with Prince are sorta expected to talk about Prince. People want to keep Prince alive. Susan Moonsie left the business after 1985 and never went back, others were always involved in the music industry, so I think that makes a big difference. I don't think Jill was doing anything musically after the mid 1990s, I'm not sure. But everyone else has. As well as still being in relationship with Prince.

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Carmen time with Prince wasn't like Jill's time with Prince. There is no real musical attachment most of us have with Prince & Carmen. And Andy Allo left Prince and continued doing what she was doing. And she is still very young, and also yes dated/worked with PRINCE, but the time period was not like 1982 1986 or 1992 with Prince.

PeggyO said:

I have some sympathy for Jill in this context; I'm sure it was a heady time and there were alot of emotions all around.

I just wish she would have been able to let it go and move on as it seemed to be damaging to her.

Susan M was very much in the PR era as she was a member of Vanity 6. She eventually deferred to Vanity re: Prince and opted for a platonic relationship which, I think, upset him and contributed to the lyrics in "When Doves Cry"

I know I can't compare my early/mid-twenties to the experiences of these women, though I did have a superlative time; had a chance to travel widely, go to lots of clubs, have exciting boyfriends, work in several cities etc., etc. But, this life is in the distant past and though my current life is not as glamorous, I am enjoying this time even more; have children/family etc.

This is just my interpretation...Both Prince and Susan M seemed to be able to move on (IMO) and the others seem trapped in that time and are currently jockeying for position.(I think Susannah is just a bit more subtle) For clarification, I am speaking about Jill, Apples, Susannah, and at a later date, Mayte,( Manuela to a lesser degree), etc.

I just find it interesting who was able to move on more successfully. I think Carmen E did a good job.

also, Andy Allo.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah, and Prince was close with the families of the Revolution members too and especially Wendy Susannah & Jonathon, along with David & Lisa Coleman.

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So it wasn't just romantic stuff, it was family. Prince dedicated The Love We Make to Jonathan. And of course In This Bed... to Susannah Wendy & Lisa

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Reply #123 posted 07/18/19 12:20pm

violetcrush

PeggyO said:

I have some sympathy for Jill in this context; I'm sure it was a heady time and there were alot of emotions all around.

I just wish she would have been able to let it go and move on as it seemed to be damaging to her.

Susan M was very much in the PR era as she was a member of Vanity 6. She eventually deferred to Vanity re: Prince and opted for a platonic relationship which, I think, upset him and contributed to the lyrics in "When Doves Cry"

I know I can't compare my early/mid-twenties to the experiences of these women, though I did have a superlative time; had a chance to travel widely, go to lots of clubs, have exciting boyfriends, work in several cities etc., etc. But, this life is in the distant past and though my current life is not as glamorous, I am enjoying this time even more; have children/family etc.

This is just my interpretation...Both Prince and Susan M seemed to be able to move on (IMO) and the others seem trapped in that time and are currently jockeying for position.(I think Susannah is just a bit more subtle) For clarification, I am speaking about Jill, Apples, Susannah, and at a later date, Mayte,( Manuela to a lesser degree), etc.

I just find it interesting who was able to move on more successfully. I think Carmen E did a good job.

also, Andy Allo.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah, and Prince was close with the families of the Revolution members too and especially Wendy Susannah & Jonathon, along with David & Lisa Coleman.

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So it wasn't just romantic stuff, it was family. Prince dedicated The Love We Make to Jonathan. And of course In This Bed... to Susannah Wendy & Lisa

Nah, Carmen and Andy have been in the mix too. Carmen, through the years, has talked about Prince, and has again after his passing. I think Carmen was a sexual diversion for Prince, and he looked at her as a possible Paisley Park label success, which did not happen. She was quickly dropped from the 1992 tour, and left MN not long after that. I look at Andy as more of a student-to-mentor relationship with Prince, regardless of any brief "romantic" encounters. Prince was 53 (probably older than her parents at that time) and Andy only 22 when they were recording/performing together in 2011. I get the infatuation thing, but that was not something that was going to become anything substantial in terms of a real relationship. I believe Andy has also come out publicly about her sexuality as well. She has discussed her time with Prince.

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The one woman who has not spoken at all is Kim Basinger. Although I think their time together was only about 6-8 months, by most accounts it was quite intense. I think she will probably never speak about it, but in the context of his life and music I don't think it's that interesting. It seems, more than anything else, they had a lot of passionate sex. I think she turned him on to being vegetarian as well, as she was one then, and also was/is a big supporter of PETA. I could be wrong though - she may have been a big love for him.

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My feeling is that I am happy to listen to the experiences of the women who had a more signifcant role in Prince's life, as it can potentially provide some clarity about who he was both in and out of the recording studio. However, any catty remarks are annoying and unnecessary. Jill definitely has an important place in his history as an associate and "friend with benefits". She was in and out of the mix for a long time and probably has some great stories to tell. I just wish she'd stop with the personal attacks. Completely unnecessary.

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Reply #124 posted 07/18/19 1:53pm

PeggyO

I think Jill was more than a "friend with benefits." She is just asking for some acknowlegdement of her contributions and her importance to Prince.

I just wish, for her sake, she could divorce herself from that time period, though it must be difficult to not get the credit she was due.

Please stop referring to Carmen, Jill, Vanity, Andy as "side" chicks. No one agrees with your obsession with Susannah.

I'm out...have things to do.

violetcrush said:

PeggyO said:

I have some sympathy for Jill in this context; I'm sure it was a heady time and there were alot of emotions all around.

I just wish she would have been able to let it go and move on as it seemed to be damaging to her.

Susan M was very much in the PR era as she was a member of Vanity 6. She eventually deferred to Vanity re: Prince and opted for a platonic relationship which, I think, upset him and contributed to the lyrics in "When Doves Cry"

I know I can't compare my early/mid-twenties to the experiences of these women, though I did have a superlative time; had a chance to travel widely, go to lots of clubs, have exciting boyfriends, work in several cities etc., etc. But, this life is in the distant past and though my current life is not as glamorous, I am enjoying this time even more; have children/family etc.

This is just my interpretation...Both Prince and Susan M seemed to be able to move on (IMO) and the others seem trapped in that time and are currently jockeying for position.(I think Susannah is just a bit more subtle) For clarification, I am speaking about Jill, Apples, Susannah, and at a later date, Mayte,( Manuela to a lesser degree), etc.

I just find it interesting who was able to move on more successfully. I think Carmen E did a good job.

also, Andy Allo.

Nah, Carmen and Andy have been in the mix too. Carmen, through the years, has talked about Prince, and has again after his passing. I think Carmen was a sexual diversion for Prince, and he looked at her as a possible Paisley Park label success, which did not happen. She was quickly dropped from the 1992 tour, and left MN not long after that. I look at Andy as more of a student-to-mentor relationship with Prince, regardless of any brief "romantic" encounters. Prince was 53 (probably older than her parents at that time) and Andy only 22 when they were recording/performing together in 2011. I get the infatuation thing, but that was not something that was going to become anything substantial in terms of a real relationship. I believe Andy has also come out publicly about her sexuality as well. She has discussed her time with Prince.

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The one woman who has not spoken at all is Kim Basinger. Although I think their time together was only about 6-8 months, by most accounts it was quite intense. I think she will probably never speak about it, but in the context of his life and music I don't think it's that interesting. It seems, more than anything else, they had a lot of passionate sex. I think she turned him on to being vegetarian as well, as she was one then, and also was/is a big supporter of PETA. I could be wrong though - she may have been a big love for him.

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My feeling is that I am happy to listen to the experiences of the women who had a more signifcant role in Prince's life, as it can potentially provide some clarity about who he was both in and out of the recording studio. However, any catty remarks are annoying and unnecessary. Jill definitely has an important place in his history as an associate and "friend with benefits". She was in and out of the mix for a long time and probably has some great stories to tell. I just wish she'd stop with the personal attacks. Completely unnecessary.

[Edited 7/18/19 13:56pm]

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Reply #125 posted 07/18/19 3:03pm

icecreamcastle
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violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:
Naw, according to Sheila's book, Prince was wooing and spending time with her for a long ass time. Even when she was on tour with Lionel Richie in 83. In that book she wrote, she said he sent her crazy amounts of flowers and love letters telling her how much he cared about her and how he wanted to move the relationship to another level. She said he would even fly out to see her sometimes when she was on tour with Lionel Richie trying to wear her down. Y’all need to stop playing if y’all think Prince and Sheila were “platonic.” I feel u on the Jill Jones embellishment stuff, and she does seem jealous of Susannah, for real. She need to get off Vanity’s coattail too. She sounds mad desperate talking about, "Vanity and I were the originals” Apollonia says the same shit about she and Vanity being "the originals." Some of these Prince girls need to step off Vanity’s coat tails. I think it's funny how they all try to associate and compare themselves to Vanity to seem relevant. Every time I read an interview by them, they’re talking about being around Prince when he was with Vanity. Even on that liner notes from The Piano and Microphone 83, Jill had the perfect OPP to talk about herself and her relationship with Prince, but instead she choose to talk about running into Prince when he was with Vanity. Why do they have to bring up Vanity in all their stories? I wanna know more about the car she said Prince offered her. So, she turned it down? Hard to believe Prince was buying cars for side girls, but barely paying his legit side bands. Just sayin. I actually think Prince did ask Sheila to marry him on stage, but I don't think he meant that shit. I feel the same about him asking Susananh too though. I don't think he really meant that shit either. Not the way he was acting and carrying on. Sorry, I know you think Susananh was the love of his life and shit but nobody treat u like that when u the love of their lives. In my opinion, I think he was just stringing both Sheila and Susananh along with "proposing." Turned out to be true since he didn't end up marrying none of them. Also who called off the engagements? Prince of course. I think he just let that shit ride out with Sheila until she realized he didn't mean that shit and it wasn't gonna happen. He played the cold feet card with Susannah and called off the engagement saying he didn't feel like getting married no more, but I don't think he ever had any intention of Marrying the chick. Prince had a hard ass heart and no woman ever broke through that shit. And I mean None of them. I wish one of them did. He would have prolly been here today.
I hear what you are saying, and I do agree with most of your thoughts here. I also think in no way was he ready to be married in 1985, but when he proposed to Susannah, I do think the effort that he made - sending her the mystery word-play note cards, flying her to NY, planning the stop for the ring at Vancleef Arpels jeweler to give her the 6 carat ring, taking her to Paris for a week where he asked her to be his wife - all of this sets it apart from just mouthing “marry me” on stage during a song. Also, Susannah was the one who left Prince. She did, as she said, move into an apartment in MN at a certain point, but she made the choice to pack up and move back to LA. Then Prince moved out there for two months to try to convince her to go back with him. * The other difference, I think, is that Prince wanted Sheila in his camp to get her on his payroll and develop her as a solo artist. He saw that potential with her. I’m sure he was attracted to her as well, but I still think the “wooing” was more to do with getting her to join his camp. The situation with Susannah was a bit different because I don’t think he really needed another backup singer. Jill was there, Wendy and Lisa were there and Brenda too. I don’t think it was ever tied to his business. He also started staying at the house she shared with W & L right after he first met her in Dec ‘82 which I find interesting, because prior to meeting Susannah he had not stayed at their house. I think there are many other reasons that indicate she was a more significant love in his life - the Galpin house, love songs, etc., but I won’t elaborate here biggrin * I agree with your thoughts on Jill and Vanity. I think they were probably “frenemies” for sure. No way that they were true friends. I think Vanity tolerated her presence because she really had no choice. Jill was a paid employee and wasn’t going anywhere. So, Vanity left instead. [Edited 7/17/19 10:45am]

Stop with that shit. U know you don't really believe that the only reason Prince wanted Sheila in his camp was to develop her as a solo artist. I know u know better than that girl. He wanted both, a relationship with her and to work with her too. Same shit he did with all his girls. She wasn't no different than the rest of them who he worked with and had a relationship with. That shit was one and the same with Prince. Even though I don't think he fully meant it, I thought the way he proposed to Sheila on stage was more like him, spontaneous and impulsive and seemed to come from the heart. The efforts you said he made to propose to Susannah seemed forced to me, and it didn't mean shit if the outcome was the same as the proposal with Sheila. Susannah left after she was moved into the apartment, but it wasn't her decision to move out of his house in the first place. She had to move there cuz Prince was the one who asked her to move out of his house with his shady ass. I love him but he was wrong for playing with the woman's heart like that. Didn't She say he was also the one who called off the wedding? Red Flag. What more do u need to know after that? That told me a lot of the shit I suspected before Susannah even confirmed it. Girl had to tolerate a lot of girls and a lot of shit too. No one can blame her ass for leaving. Like I said, Prince didn't intended to marry a damn soul back then.

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Reply #126 posted 07/18/19 3:33pm

violetcrush

icecreamcastle777 said:

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said: I hear what you are saying, and I do agree with most of your thoughts here. I also think in no way was he ready to be married in 1985, but when he proposed to Susannah, I do think the effort that he made - sending her the mystery word-play note cards, flying her to NY, planning the stop for the ring at Vancleef Arpels jeweler to give her the 6 carat ring, taking her to Paris for a week where he asked her to be his wife - all of this sets it apart from just mouthing “marry me” on stage during a song. Also, Susannah was the one who left Prince. She did, as she said, move into an apartment in MN at a certain point, but she made the choice to pack up and move back to LA. Then Prince moved out there for two months to try to convince her to go back with him. * The other difference, I think, is that Prince wanted Sheila in his camp to get her on his payroll and develop her as a solo artist. He saw that potential with her. I’m sure he was attracted to her as well, but I still think the “wooing” was more to do with getting her to join his camp. The situation with Susannah was a bit different because I don’t think he really needed another backup singer. Jill was there, Wendy and Lisa were there and Brenda too. I don’t think it was ever tied to his business. He also started staying at the house she shared with W & L right after he first met her in Dec ‘82 which I find interesting, because prior to meeting Susannah he had not stayed at their house. I think there are many other reasons that indicate she was a more significant love in his life - the Galpin house, love songs, etc., but I won’t elaborate here biggrin * I agree with your thoughts on Jill and Vanity. I think they were probably “frenemies” for sure. No way that they were true friends. I think Vanity tolerated her presence because she really had no choice. Jill was a paid employee and wasn’t going anywhere. So, Vanity left instead. [Edited 7/17/19 10:45am]

Stop with that shit. U know you don't really believe that the only reason Prince wanted Sheila in his camp was to develop her as a solo artist. I know u know better than that girl. He wanted both, a relationship with her and to work with her too. Same shit he did with all his girls. She wasn't no different than the rest of them who he worked with and had a relationship with. That shit was one and the same with Prince. Even though I don't think he fully meant it, I thought the way he proposed to Sheila on stage was more like him, spontaneous and impulsive and seemed to come from the heart. The efforts you said he made to propose to Susannah seemed forced to me, and it didn't mean shit if the outcome was the same as the proposal with Sheila. Susannah left after she was moved into the apartment, but it wasn't her decision to move out of his house in the first place. She had to move there cuz Prince was the one who asked her to move out of his house with his shady ass. I love him but he was wrong for playing with the woman's heart like that. Didn't She say he was also the one who called off the wedding? Red Flag. What more do u need to know after that? That told me a lot of the shit I suspected before Susannah even confirmed it. Girl had to tolerate a lot of girls and a lot of shit too. No one can blame her ass for leaving. Like I said, Prince didn't intended to marry a damn soul back then.

Prince never called off the wedding - they just never discussed or made plans for the wedding. Susannah stated she ulitmately didn't care about a ceremony or a dress - her idea of a life with him was planning the building of the Galpin home, which she did with him, and she also handled the interior design/decorating of the home. She auctioned some of the prints and items that they had in that house.

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I disagree completely with your idea of which proposal was more heartfelt. The whole notion of Prince feeling "forced" into proposing to Susannah - as some believe - is just ludacris. Prince did whatever Prince wanted to do back then and always. He did NOT have to propose to her, nor did he have to arrange and plan all of the things he did in order to ask her to marry him. He certainly didn't have to fly her to NY and present her with a 6 carat ring, nor did he have to fly her to Paris with him for a week long vacation. His efforts were sweet and traditional, especially for a very "untraditional" guy when it came to relationships. Susannah LIVED with him in that Galpin house, regardless of the outcome - he tried to make it work, which is amazing given his typical behavior. Obviously, the allure of having Playboy models and other beautiful women at his "beck and call" pulled him away from the "settle down" mindset - as it would most men in their mid 20's.

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I never said that Prince was not attracted to Sheila or that he did not have something physical going on with her. However, I see them as ultimately having been more like brother and sister, and also very competitive with each other. I think it's the reason why they continued to perform together throughout the years. They were always good friends.

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Like I've said before - I go by the songs. You don't get songs like NC2U, Empty Room, Forever In My Life, Adore, IIWYG, Wally, and Come Home from just a casual fling. Those lyrics indicate deep feelings, regardless of how Prince behaved during the relationship. Then later you have In This Bed I Scream, the card he wrote to her in the mid 90's, and her account of him asking to see her in '93. I'm sure there is much more we have not heard. Wendy and Susannah were also the first two people he thanked for attributing to his success at the '95 AMAs. There was a deep connection there.

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Reply #127 posted 07/18/19 8:04pm

violetcrush

PeggyO said:

I think Jill was more than a "friend with benefits." She is just asking for some acknowlegdement of her contributions and her importance to Prince.

I just wish, for her sake, she could divorce herself from that time period, though it must be difficult to not get the credit she was due.

Please stop referring to Carmen, Jill, Vanity, Andy as "side" chicks. No one agrees with your obsession with Susannah.

I'm out...have things to do.

violetcrush said:

Nah, Carmen and Andy have been in the mix too. Carmen, through the years, has talked about Prince, and has again after his passing. I think Carmen was a sexual diversion for Prince, and he looked at her as a possible Paisley Park label success, which did not happen. She was quickly dropped from the 1992 tour, and left MN not long after that. I look at Andy as more of a student-to-mentor relationship with Prince, regardless of any brief "romantic" encounters. Prince was 53 (probably older than her parents at that time) and Andy only 22 when they were recording/performing together in 2011. I get the infatuation thing, but that was not something that was going to become anything substantial in terms of a real relationship. I believe Andy has also come out publicly about her sexuality as well. She has discussed her time with Prince.

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The one woman who has not spoken at all is Kim Basinger. Although I think their time together was only about 6-8 months, by most accounts it was quite intense. I think she will probably never speak about it, but in the context of his life and music I don't think it's that interesting. It seems, more than anything else, they had a lot of passionate sex. I think she turned him on to being vegetarian as well, as she was one then, and also was/is a big supporter of PETA. I could be wrong though - she may have been a big love for him.

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My feeling is that I am happy to listen to the experiences of the women who had a more signifcant role in Prince's life, as it can potentially provide some clarity about who he was both in and out of the recording studio. However, any catty remarks are annoying and unnecessary. Jill definitely has an important place in his history as an associate and "friend with benefits". She was in and out of the mix for a long time and probably has some great stories to tell. I just wish she'd stop with the personal attacks. Completely unnecessary.

[Edited 7/18/19 13:56pm]

No obseession at all - just being realistic with what has been discussed by many in the camp back then, what has been written in the many reputable Biographies, Prince's songs about her, and Susannah's accounts.

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I never said Andy was a "side chick". What I stated was that I think it was more a mentor to student relationship. Prince was reaching the age where he almost could have been her grandfather. Sorry, but I tend to think that theirs was mostly a working relationship with possibly a brief romantic thing.

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Carmen E a serious relationship?? Really? Come on! Considering she inspired a song like Pheromone I'm gonna go with probably not eek

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From princevault about the song Pheromone:

"During a Love4oneanother.com "? of the week" in 1999, a fan (using the name CTM) asked where the story/lyrics for the song came from, to whichPrince replied:

"Carmen Electra and The Crazy Horse." "

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Reply #128 posted 07/18/19 8:17pm

PeggyO

Though I have tried, my communications with you have usually ended with frustration on my part.

I don't like to engage in one way "conversations" with someone who needs to have the last word.

I value my time and knowledge too much.

violetcrush said:

PeggyO said:

I think Jill was more than a "friend with benefits." She is just asking for some acknowlegdement of her contributions and her importance to Prince.

I just wish, for her sake, she could divorce herself from that time period, though it must be difficult to not get the credit she was due.

Please stop referring to Carmen, Jill, Vanity, Andy as "side" chicks. No one agrees with your obsession with Susannah.

I'm out...have things to do.

[Edited 7/18/19 13:56pm]

No obseession at all - just being realistic with what has been discussed by many in the camp back then, what has been written in the many reputable Biographies, Prince's songs about her, and Susannah's accounts.

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I never said Andy was a "side chick". What I stated was that I think it was more a mentor to student relationship. Prince was reaching the age where he almost could have been her grandfather. Sorry, but I tend to think that theirs was mostly a working relationship with possibly a brief romantic thing.

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Carmen E a serious relationship?? Really? Come on! Considering she inspired a song like Pheromone I'm gonna go with probably not eek

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From princevault about the song Pheromone:

"During a Love4oneanother.com "? of the week" in 1999, a fan (using the name CTM) asked where the story/lyrics for the song came from, to whichPrince replied:

"Carmen Electra and The Crazy Horse." "

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PeggyO said:

Though I have tried, my communications with you have usually ended with frustration on my part.

I don't like to engage in one way "conversations" with someone who needs to have the last word.

I value my time and knowledge too much.

violetcrush said:

No obseession at all - just being realistic with what has been discussed by many in the camp back then, what has been written in the many reputable Biographies, Prince's songs about her, and Susannah's accounts.

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I never said Andy was a "side chick". What I stated was that I think it was more a mentor to student relationship. Prince was reaching the age where he almost could have been her grandfather. Sorry, but I tend to think that theirs was mostly a working relationship with possibly a brief romantic thing.

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Carmen E a serious relationship?? Really? Come on! Considering she inspired a song like Pheromone I'm gonna go with probably not eek

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From princevault about the song Pheromone:

"During a Love4oneanother.com "? of the week" in 1999, a fan (using the name CTM) asked where the story/lyrics for the song came from, to whichPrince replied:

"Carmen Electra and The Crazy Horse." "

How is this a "one way" conversation when what I posted to you is directly related to your prior repsonse to me (reply #124) ?? That makes no sense whatsoever. You stated I have an obsession with Susannah as being a big love of Prince's and I responded directly to that. You stated I am calling Carmen E and Andy "side chicks" and I responded directly to that.

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I guess I don't understand what you mean about a one-way conversation. I didn't respond to myself - I responded to your post which was a reply to me.

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Y'all have been debating Susannah v. Jill, and everyone else for decades now.


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Y'all have been debating Susannah v. Jill, and everyone else for decades now.


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LOL Jill keeps talking about Susannah in every interview

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Who were you prior to July 9th?

PeggyO said:

Though I have tried, my communications with you have usually ended with frustration on my part.

I don't like to engage in one way "conversations" with someone who needs to have the last word.

I value my time and knowledge too much.

violetcrush said:

No obseession at all - just being realistic with what has been discussed by many in the camp back then, what has been written in the many reputable Biographies, Prince's songs about her, and Susannah's accounts.

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I never said Andy was a "side chick". What I stated was that I think it was more a mentor to student relationship. Prince was reaching the age where he almost could have been her grandfather. Sorry, but I tend to think that theirs was mostly a working relationship with possibly a brief romantic thing.

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Carmen E a serious relationship?? Really? Come on! Considering she inspired a song like Pheromone I'm gonna go with probably not eek

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From princevault about the song Pheromone:

"During a Love4oneanother.com "? of the week" in 1999, a fan (using the name CTM) asked where the story/lyrics for the song came from, to whichPrince replied:

"Carmen Electra and The Crazy Horse." "

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Y'all have been debating Susannah v. Jill, and everyone else for decades now.


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LOL Jill keeps talking about Susannah in every interview

Interesting....I went back and listened to Jill's interview with Prince Podcast. When Michael asks her about Prince bringing her in to the 1999 tour, she says this:

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Prince Pocast: "So does he - I guess a couple years later when he's working on 1999 - is that some of the first stuff that you sang on some of his stuff?"

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Jill: "Yeah, when he came to LA...because he was in Ohio and we spoke on the phone. He was with Vanity I think and it was the end of The Time tour and that tour they had because he told me they had just had a crazy food fight, and I was like, really?, and everybody knows about that food fight now. It was like bad blood for a minute. And he said I'll call you when I get there, and I always knew that the name he used was Groucho Marx anyway, so it was easy to call him and he would call you back (then she talks about him calling her house at 2:00 am and her parents telling her he can't call at that hour).

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She definitely implies - without specifically stating it - that she would "see" Prince when he came to LA during that '81-'83 period. So, it seems they were most likely hooking up before she began working on the 1999 album.

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Prince Podcast: "So, going into the 1999 video and LRC - at this point you're sort of brought into the band, or at least you're very visible at this point. What was it like coming in and working with him at that level? Obviously, you met everybody in the band.

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Jill: "No I didn't. I mean for the time we worked on 1999 there was no band - it was him. So, I didn't meet anybody until I went back to start rehearsals for that tour, which was in the Summer. So, we saw each other in the early part of that year (1982), like January and February when he finished Cincinnati - that last show, and there was no band in the studio. I mean, it was just us really. He had started working with Vanity 6, I think he was finishing up some stuff on them, and finishing some stuff with The Time - flying the tapes from MN to Sunset Sound, and then they would fly out periodically. From when we started working, it was, I think we were working on Let's Pretend We're Married, and Delirious was already kind of done, but I think that whole period was a very different moment for him. I don't think he wanted to be in MN, because I think, I don't know - he was spending a lot of time in LA to be honest with you, because he was living in Studio City.

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Prince Podcast: "What was it like in the early studio stuff with him? I mean would he have most of the music done and you just come and lay your parts down, or did you actually get to see him play some of the stuff?"

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Jill: "I'd see him do it, because I spent like almost 24-7 with him. (Then she talks about the first time Prince picked her up to work in the studio and played her Nasty Girl, and she thought it was amzaing. She talks about their "dates" at little odd restaurants at 3:00 am after working all night in the studio.)

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Jill talking about the 1999 period: "You know 1999 is really essentially - I know that period of time and I know why that period of time existed. He had gone through a breakup with Susan, and it was really kind of a weird transition, and he had everybody - Vanity - it was just a lot going on. I think I was some kind of refuge in the middle of whatever all that other stuff was. So, the album is about escapism - most of it is just escapism, and I feel very um, responsible for being that outlet. Like I feel like that album was a big transition, even just on the side - not just personally, but for his career, because it opened up the door for him to "even game", the key word - to have access to doing Purple Rain. And he knew that, because he knew he wanted to make that movie all along.

Yeah, he and I were like best friends - if anything."

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Well....there you go - straight from the source biggrin So, Prince was involved with Jill LONG before she officially arrived in MN to be part of the 1999 tour. Her take on his mindset for that album is very interesting. It also may explain her animosity toward Susannah, because it seems she took Jill's place as studio muse and love interest during and after the 1999 tour. Poor Vanity put up with all of this during her time in MN!! No wonder she bolted.

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During that same Prince Podcast interview, Jill - when talking about Prince forming the idea for the Purple Rain film - states that he could easily develop the characters for the script based on all of the people he had around him at the time.

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She says, "he could see that Wendy and Lisa you know were like the Chinese Mothers in the corner (laughing with Michael and he says, "wow") ...and um, you know, like the "Tiger Moms", and yet nurturing, but somewhere like, "come on, we gotta keep pushing".

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Really?? That's her take on W & L characters in the film?? I think most fans can say they were actually seen as the cool chicks in the group who spoke up and weren't going to take any of Prince's shit. They were also portrayed as the writers of the finale song which Prince finally came around to playing - you know, one of the biggest moments in the film??!! Not sure how she would come up with that analogy - I think it was just another dig at them.

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Then she talks about her character in the film:

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"And then you had me, who really loved him to death, and it's like - it didn't matter, I mean I was like yeah I'll do this, okay..."

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So, it seems even she is stating she would do anything for him, and put up with a lot.

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violetcrush said:

During that same Prince Podcast interview, Jill - when talking about Prince forming the idea for the Purple Rain film - states that he could easily develop the characters for the script based on all of the people he had around him at the time.

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She says, "he could see that Wendy and Lisa you know were like the Chinese Mothers in the corner (laughing with Michael and he says, "wow") ...and um, you know, like the "Tiger Moms", and yet nurturing, but somewhere like, "come on, we gotta keep pushing".

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Really?? That's her take on W & L characters in the film?? I think most fans can say they were actually seen as the cool chicks in the group who spoke up and weren't going to take any of Prince's shit. They were also portrayed as the writers of the finale song which Prince finally came around to playing - you know, one of the biggest moments in the film??!! Not sure how she would come up with that analogy - I think it was just another dig at them.

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Then she talks about her character in the film:

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"And then you had me, who really loved him to death, and it's like - it didn't matter, I mean I was like yeah I'll do this, okay..."

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So, it seems even she is stating she would do anything for him, and put up with a lot.

I think her take on W&L concerning Prince was that they were very nurturing. She told me the same thing just in general about W&L concerning Prince.

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^^^ I think the “Tiger Mom” comment was an initial dig, but then she followed it up with the “nurturing” comment, which is a contradiction, because “Tiger Moms” are not considered nurturing - they are considered controlling and very aggressive with their kids. But, that is not at all how W & L were portrayed in the film.
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She let out a bunch of digs about W, L, and S in that interview, and also contradicted herself often in that discussion.
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I take that comment to mean "protective of".
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^^^ I think the “Tiger Mom” comment was an initial dig, but then she followed it up with the “nurturing” comment, which is a contradiction, because “Tiger Moms” are not considered nurturing - they are considered controlling and very aggressive with their kids. But, that is not at all how W & L were portrayed in the film. * She let out a bunch of digs about W, L, and S in that interview, and also contradicted herself often in that discussion.



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violetcrush said:


^^^ I think the “Tiger Mom” comment was an initial dig, but then she followed it up with the “nurturing” comment, which is a contradiction, because “Tiger Moms” are not considered nurturing - they are considered controlling and very aggressive with their kids. But, that is not at all how W & L were portrayed in the film. * She let out a bunch of digs about W, L, and S in that interview, and also contradicted herself often in that discussion.



HI SusannaH!




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I don’t think Susannah would waste her time here. However, I don’t mind chiming in for her biggrin
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I’m a big fan of Wendy and Lisa’s too, but I’m not them either cool
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I think Jill was more than a "friend with benefits." She is just asking for some acknowlegdement of her contributions and her importance to Prince.

I just wish, for her sake, she could divorce herself from that time period, though it must be difficult to not get the credit she was due.

Please stop referring to Carmen, Jill, Vanity, Andy as "side" chicks. No one agrees with your obsession with Susannah.

I'm out...have things to do.

violetcrush said:

Nah, Carmen and Andy have been in the mix too. Carmen, through the years, has talked about Prince, and has again after his passing. I think Carmen was a sexual diversion for Prince, and he looked at her as a possible Paisley Park label success, which did not happen. She was quickly dropped from the 1992 tour, and left MN not long after that. I look at Andy as more of a student-to-mentor relationship with Prince, regardless of any brief "romantic" encounters. Prince was 53 (probably older than her parents at that time) and Andy only 22 when they were recording/performing together in 2011. I get the infatuation thing, but that was not something that was going to become anything substantial in terms of a real relationship. I believe Andy has also come out publicly about her sexuality as well. She has discussed her time with Prince.

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The one woman who has not spoken at all is Kim Basinger. Although I think their time together was only about 6-8 months, by most accounts it was quite intense. I think she will probably never speak about it, but in the context of his life and music I don't think it's that interesting. It seems, more than anything else, they had a lot of passionate sex. I think she turned him on to being vegetarian as well, as she was one then, and also was/is a big supporter of PETA. I could be wrong though - she may have been a big love for him.

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My feeling is that I am happy to listen to the experiences of the women who had a more signifcant role in Prince's life, as it can potentially provide some clarity about who he was both in and out of the recording studio. However, any catty remarks are annoying and unnecessary. Jill definitely has an important place in his history as an associate and "friend with benefits". She was in and out of the mix for a long time and probably has some great stories to tell. I just wish she'd stop with the personal attacks. Completely unnecessary.

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There's truth in what you saying. Thinking about it coming from Jill's mind, I kinda get why she feels resentment toward Susannah. It's not necessarily cuz of jealousy from the time they shared with Prince. It's more of a resentment from the stuff that’s happening now. Susananh is definitely one of them who's jockeying for position and she has the upper hand with that shit cuz she has the backing of the revolutions with he sister being in the band, and friends from the Prince camp she was around and close with from back then, and even peeps in the industry. She's doing interviews and having peeps she knows call her the love of Prince's life and every chance she gets pushing the story that she was Prince's biggest muse and Prince wrote all these songs about her. That shit must be hard to hear especially if you know some of the shit that's being said ain't true, and to know you was there too and played a big part, but not getting any recognition. Jill has a right to tell her side of the story too. She’s human, she gonna have some resentment about that shit and if she remember Sussanh being mean to her back in the day because of her own insecurities with Prince, ain't nothing wrong with her saying that shit. I don't mind her telling it like it is, she just need to be more tactful with that shit and let her relationship with Prince stand on its own and stop using Vanity as a comparison and a stepping stone to big her up. Appolonia needs to stop that shit too. If you have to call one of Prince girls the original, Vanity was the only true original, cuz even if they knew Prince before her, Vanity was the first girl Prince pushed in the light and that anybody knew or cared about in 82-83.

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icecreamcastle777 said:

Stop with that shit. U know you don't really believe that the only reason Prince wanted Sheila in his camp was to develop her as a solo artist. I know u know better than that girl. He wanted both, a relationship with her and to work with her too. Same shit he did with all his girls. She wasn't no different than the rest of them who he worked with and had a relationship with. That shit was one and the same with Prince. Even though I don't think he fully meant it, I thought the way he proposed to Sheila on stage was more like him, spontaneous and impulsive and seemed to come from the heart. The efforts you said he made to propose to Susannah seemed forced to me, and it didn't mean shit if the outcome was the same as the proposal with Sheila. Susannah left after she was moved into the apartment, but it wasn't her decision to move out of his house in the first place. She had to move there cuz Prince was the one who asked her to move out of his house with his shady ass. I love him but he was wrong for playing with the woman's heart like that. Didn't She say he was also the one who called off the wedding? Red Flag. What more do u need to know after that? That told me a lot of the shit I suspected before Susannah even confirmed it. Girl had to tolerate a lot of girls and a lot of shit too. No one can blame her ass for leaving. Like I said, Prince didn't intended to marry a damn soul back then.

Prince never called off the wedding - they just never discussed or made plans for the wedding. Susannah stated she ulitmately didn't care about a ceremony or a dress - her idea of a life with him was planning the building of the Galpin home, which she did with him, and she also handled the interior design/decorating of the home. She auctioned some of the prints and items that they had in that house.

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I disagree completely with your idea of which proposal was more heartfelt. The whole notion of Prince feeling "forced" into proposing to Susannah - as some believe - is just ludacris. Prince did whatever Prince wanted to do back then and always. He did NOT have to propose to her, nor did he have to arrange and plan all of the things he did in order to ask her to marry him. He certainly didn't have to fly her to NY and present her with a 6 carat ring, nor did he have to fly her to Paris with him for a week long vacation. His efforts were sweet and traditional, especially for a very "untraditional" guy when it came to relationships. Susannah LIVED with him in that Galpin house, regardless of the outcome - he tried to make it work, which is amazing given his typical behavior. Obviously, the allure of having Playboy models and other beautiful women at his "beck and call" pulled him away from the "settle down" mindset - as it would most men in their mid 20's.

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I never said that Prince was not attracted to Sheila or that he did not have something physical going on with her. However, I see them as ultimately having been more like brother and sister, and also very competitive with each other. I think it's the reason why they continued to perform together throughout the years. They were always good friends.

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Like I've said before - I go by the songs. You don't get songs like NC2U, Empty Room, Forever In My Life, Adore, IIWYG, Wally, and Come Home from just a casual fling. Those lyrics indicate deep feelings, regardless of how Prince behaved during the relationship. Then later you have In This Bed I Scream, the card he wrote to her in the mid 90's, and her account of him asking to see her in '93. I'm sure there is much more we have not heard. Wendy and Susannah were also the first two people he thanked for attributing to his success at the '95 AMAs. There was a deep connection there.

Nah, Prince called off the engagement. I know she said they never talked about it but she must have been talking about before he called it off. Even if she didn't say that in her last interview, I know I read that shit in DMSR or that book Possessed. The one talking about it was Susan Rogers. Story goes that Prince called from Paris or some place like that and told Susannah that he didn't wanna get married no more. I'm gonna borrow that book from the library again and tell u what she said. Anyway, How someone gonna be the love of your life but u gonna tell her to get the fuck outta your house cuz you can't stand to wake up next to her and shit. That's like them chicks who's men beat them and then they talk about he love them and shit. Dude was playing games with that chick.

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PeggyO said:

I think Jill was more than a "friend with benefits." She is just asking for some acknowlegdement of her contributions and her importance to Prince.

I just wish, for her sake, she could divorce herself from that time period, though it must be difficult to not get the credit she was due.

Please stop referring to Carmen, Jill, Vanity, Andy as "side" chicks. No one agrees with your obsession with Susannah.

I'm out...have things to do.

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There's truth in what you saying. Thinking about it coming from Jill's mind, I kinda get why she feels resentment toward Susannah. It's not necessarily cuz of jealousy from the time they shared with Prince. It's more of a resentment from the stuff that’s happening now. Susananh is definitely one of them who's jockeying for position and she has the upper hand with that shit cuz she has the backing of the revolutions with he sister being in the band, and friends from the Prince camp she was around and close with from back then, and even peeps in the industry. She's doing interviews and having peeps she knows call her the love of Prince's life and every chance she gets pushing the story that she was Prince's biggest muse and Prince wrote all these songs about her. That shit must be hard to hear especially if you know some of the shit that's being said ain't true, and to know you was there too and played a big part, but not getting any recognition. Jill has a right to tell her side of the story too. She’s human, she gonna have some resentment about that shit and if she remember Sussanh being mean to her back in the day because of her own insecurities with Prince, ain't nothing wrong with her saying that shit. I don't mind her telling it like it is, she just need to be more tactful with that shit and let her relationship with Prince stand on its own and stop using Vanity as a comparison and a stepping stone to big her up. Appolonia needs to stop that shit too. If you have to call one of Prince girls the original, Vanity was the only true original, cuz even if they knew Prince before her, Vanity was the first girl Prince pushed in the light and that anybody knew or cared about in 82-83.

Naw that is only part of it. But there really should be no resentment. Or real jealousy. Because she never 'had' Prince. Does she feel that way toward Sheila E? and why not. If it is justified that she feel that way toward Susannah, she should definately feel that way toward Sheila E. But again she never 'had' Prince. She wanted Prince. And I'm talking about this in real life situations. Unless a man 'marries' you, even in dating, you don't have him. Same in the reverse. A man cannot be jealous of another man concerning a women he likes.

Vanity was never OK with 'sharing' Prince, as Jill puts it. Never. Neither was Susan Moonsie, so she just removed herself from Prince's life in that way. Sheila E went back in forth. She too said she saw the women Prince had around him. As far as musical relationship, Jill herself distances herself from Prince's scene because even back then 85ish she talked about her image vs the image Prince wanted to present her as. Even wanting to change her name to Electra. after 1986 Sheila E & Cat were in the place Jill was in 1982. Also Prince wanted her to be connected to the scene in 1987 but Jill didn't want to, even refusing to wear the Heart shaped wrist image.

Jill distanced herself from her connect to Prince for a long time after 1990. She talked about it in an interview. Prince did continue relations and friendship with Susannah from 1986 onward, same with Sheila E and Vanity.

Jill is also married now, and has been for a while. She has a husband. I don't think any jockying for position can be really disputed, becuase Susannah's relationship with Prince was just that. Her's. Same as Denise Matthews was with Prince, Sheila E etc

If anyone is can be seen as jockying for position it would be Sheila E. But why doesn't Jill go after Sheila E? Yet even Sheila is just talking about her time, friendship and feeling about Prince. How can we really rebuke anyone for this. Outside of Kim Berry lying about when she actually met Prince and started doing his hair etc and some of the other stuff she's implied.

It just seems to me Jill is using Susannah as a focus of her regrets. But it was still Prince in the end that 'chose'.


Even the 'originals' stuff is just women putting themselves under a man to validate their existence. I doubt Denise Matthews saw herself up to her passing as an 'original' But even that just doesn't work. As far as the foundational years, all of them were key -platonic and romantic. They helped with the vision. From Gayle - Cat.

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violetcrush said:

Prince never called off the wedding - they just never discussed or made plans for the wedding. Susannah stated she ulitmately didn't care about a ceremony or a dress - her idea of a life with him was planning the building of the Galpin home, which she did with him, and she also handled the interior design/decorating of the home. She auctioned some of the prints and items that they had in that house.

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I disagree completely with your idea of which proposal was more heartfelt. The whole notion of Prince feeling "forced" into proposing to Susannah - as some believe - is just ludacris. Prince did whatever Prince wanted to do back then and always. He did NOT have to propose to her, nor did he have to arrange and plan all of the things he did in order to ask her to marry him. He certainly didn't have to fly her to NY and present her with a 6 carat ring, nor did he have to fly her to Paris with him for a week long vacation. His efforts were sweet and traditional, especially for a very "untraditional" guy when it came to relationships. Susannah LIVED with him in that Galpin house, regardless of the outcome - he tried to make it work, which is amazing given his typical behavior. Obviously, the allure of having Playboy models and other beautiful women at his "beck and call" pulled him away from the "settle down" mindset - as it would most men in their mid 20's.

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I never said that Prince was not attracted to Sheila or that he did not have something physical going on with her. However, I see them as ultimately having been more like brother and sister, and also very competitive with each other. I think it's the reason why they continued to perform together throughout the years. They were always good friends.

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Like I've said before - I go by the songs. You don't get songs like NC2U, Empty Room, Forever In My Life, Adore, IIWYG, Wally, and Come Home from just a casual fling. Those lyrics indicate deep feelings, regardless of how Prince behaved during the relationship. Then later you have In This Bed I Scream, the card he wrote to her in the mid 90's, and her account of him asking to see her in '93. I'm sure there is much more we have not heard. Wendy and Susannah were also the first two people he thanked for attributing to his success at the '95 AMAs. There was a deep connection there.

Nah, Prince called off the engagement. I know she said they never talked about it but she must have been talking about before he called it off. Even if she didn't say that in her last interview, I know I read that shit in DMSR or that book Possessed. The one talking about it was Susan Rogers. Story goes that Prince called from Paris or some place like that and told Susannah that he didn't wanna get married no more. I'm gonna borrow that book from the library again and tell u what she said. Anyway, How someone gonna be the love of your life but u gonna tell her to get the fuck outta your house cuz you can't stand to wake up next to her and shit. That's like them chicks who's men beat them and then they talk about he love them and shit. Dude was playing games with that chick.

No he wasn't. It was as real as could be for someone like Prince. He also dedicated In This Bed I Scream to Susannah in 1996 and remained friends with her. I mean look how he treated his friends Morris Jerome Jimmy & Terry etc and I really believe Prince loved them. But Prince had 'relationship' issues from his family.

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^^^ I think the “Tiger Mom” comment was an initial dig, but then she followed it up with the “nurturing” comment, which is a contradiction, because “Tiger Moms” are not considered nurturing - they are considered controlling and very aggressive with their kids. But, that is not at all how W & L were portrayed in the film. * She let out a bunch of digs about W, L, and S in that interview, and also contradicted herself often in that discussion.

I mean she said the same thing to me when I talked to her on the phone, and it was very much about being nurturing and protective of Prince.

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Reply #145 posted 07/20/19 2:26pm

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violetcrush said:

Prince never called off the wedding - they just never discussed or made plans for the wedding. Susannah stated she ulitmately didn't care about a ceremony or a dress - her idea of a life with him was planning the building of the Galpin home, which she did with him, and she also handled the interior design/decorating of the home. She auctioned some of the prints and items that they had in that house.

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I disagree completely with your idea of which proposal was more heartfelt. The whole notion of Prince feeling "forced" into proposing to Susannah - as some believe - is just ludacris. Prince did whatever Prince wanted to do back then and always. He did NOT have to propose to her, nor did he have to arrange and plan all of the things he did in order to ask her to marry him. He certainly didn't have to fly her to NY and present her with a 6 carat ring, nor did he have to fly her to Paris with him for a week long vacation. His efforts were sweet and traditional, especially for a very "untraditional" guy when it came to relationships. Susannah LIVED with him in that Galpin house, regardless of the outcome - he tried to make it work, which is amazing given his typical behavior. Obviously, the allure of having Playboy models and other beautiful women at his "beck and call" pulled him away from the "settle down" mindset - as it would most men in their mid 20's.

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I never said that Prince was not attracted to Sheila or that he did not have something physical going on with her. However, I see them as ultimately having been more like brother and sister, and also very competitive with each other. I think it's the reason why they continued to perform together throughout the years. They were always good friends.

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Like I've said before - I go by the songs. You don't get songs like NC2U, Empty Room, Forever In My Life, Adore, IIWYG, Wally, and Come Home from just a casual fling. Those lyrics indicate deep feelings, regardless of how Prince behaved during the relationship. Then later you have In This Bed I Scream, the card he wrote to her in the mid 90's, and her account of him asking to see her in '93. I'm sure there is much more we have not heard. Wendy and Susannah were also the first two people he thanked for attributing to his success at the '95 AMAs. There was a deep connection there.

Nah, Prince called off the engagement. I know she said they never talked about it but she must have been talking about before he called it off. Even if she didn't say that in her last interview, I know I read that shit in DMSR or that book Possessed. The one talking about it was Susan Rogers. Story goes that Prince called from Paris or some place like that and told Susannah that he didn't wanna get married no more. I'm gonna borrow that book from the library again and tell u what she said. Anyway, How someone gonna be the love of your life but u gonna tell her to get the fuck outta your house cuz you can't stand to wake up next to her and shit. That's like them chicks who's men beat them and then they talk about he love them and shit. Dude was playing games with that chick.

Yes, I have heard/read that story as well. There was actually a piece written in The Star back in March of 1987 - I have posted that on other threads. I will find it again and post it.

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Problem is - Prince was also calling Susannah multiple times a day to talk to her and "check on her'. Then, he flew her back to Nice where he put her in the Girls and Boys video, and then they spent time in Italy after the filming wrapped. Then, they were back in MN living in the Galpin home together.

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So, regardless of whether Prince, in a moment of "I wanna have some fun here in Nice and chase some French tail", did call off the engagement - that decision did not even last past his time filming in Nice. They were back in MN as a couple and living in the Galpin home together.

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Prince played games with EVERY associate, friend, girlfriend, etc. However, there is no question his relationship with Susannah was on a deeper level.

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violetcrush said:

^^^ I think the “Tiger Mom” comment was an initial dig, but then she followed it up with the “nurturing” comment, which is a contradiction, because “Tiger Moms” are not considered nurturing - they are considered controlling and very aggressive with their kids. But, that is not at all how W & L were portrayed in the film. * She let out a bunch of digs about W, L, and S in that interview, and also contradicted herself often in that discussion.

I mean she said the same thing to me when I talked to her on the phone, and it was very much about being nurturing and protective of Prince.

I guess the "Chinese Mother/Tiger Moms" comment was an unfortunate choice. She did follow that up with the "nurturing" description, but that comment was already out there, so it didn't sound so good.

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I guess for me, besides that it sounded like a dig toward them, was that I don't think that is how Wendy and Lisa were portrayed in the film at all. They were his peers who wanted him to trust them and to accept their music - what was the name of their tape he put in the box during the dressing room scene....mellow mix?? or something like that smile

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Anyway....Jill lost me when she made the "plantation mistresses" and "The Revolution were just a milli vanilli band" comments during recent intervews eek

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Reply #147 posted 07/20/19 2:45pm

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icecreamcastle777 said:

Nah, Prince called off the engagement. I know she said they never talked about it but she must have been talking about before he called it off. Even if she didn't say that in her last interview, I know I read that shit in DMSR or that book Possessed. The one talking about it was Susan Rogers. Story goes that Prince called from Paris or some place like that and told Susannah that he didn't wanna get married no more. I'm gonna borrow that book from the library again and tell u what she said. Anyway, How someone gonna be the love of your life but u gonna tell her to get the fuck outta your house cuz you can't stand to wake up next to her and shit. That's like them chicks who's men beat them and then they talk about he love them and shit. Dude was playing games with that chick.

Yes, I have heard/read that story as well. There was actually a piece written in The Star back in March of 1987 - I have posted that on other threads. I will find it again and post it.

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Problem is - Prince was also calling Susannah multiple times a day to talk to her and "check on her'. Then, he flew her back to Nice where he put her in the Girls and Boys video, and then they spent time in Italy after the filming wrapped. Then, they were back in MN living in the Galpin home together.

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So, regardless of whether Prince, in a moment of "I wanna have some fun here in Nice and chase some French tail", did call off the engagement - that decision did not even last past his time filming in Nice. They were back in MN as a couple and living in the Galpin home together.

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Prince played games with EVERY associate, friend, girlfriend, etc. However, there is no question his relationship with Susannah was on a deeper level.

icereamcastle777 - here is the article written back in March of 1987. Per Susannah's discussions all or most of this appears to have been fairly accurate. So, yes, he was a game player and had her on quite a roller coaster, but he always wanted her back with him.

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Reply #148 posted 07/20/19 3:57pm

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PeggyO said:

I think Jill was more than a "friend with benefits." She is just asking for some acknowlegdement of her contributions and her importance to Prince.

I just wish, for her sake, she could divorce herself from that time period, though it must be difficult to not get the credit she was due.

Please stop referring to Carmen, Jill, Vanity, Andy as "side" chicks. No one agrees with your obsession with Susannah.

I'm out...have things to do.

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There's truth in what you saying. Thinking about it coming from Jill's mind, I kinda get why she feels resentment toward Susannah. It's not necessarily cuz of jealousy from the time they shared with Prince. It's more of a resentment from the stuff that’s happening now. Susananh is definitely one of them who's jockeying for position and she has the upper hand with that shit cuz she has the backing of the revolutions with he sister being in the band, and friends from the Prince camp she was around and close with from back then, and even peeps in the industry. She's doing interviews and having peeps she knows call her the love of Prince's life and every chance she gets pushing the story that she was Prince's biggest muse and Prince wrote all these songs about her. That shit must be hard to hear especially if you know some of the shit that's being said ain't true, and to know you was there too and played a big part, but not getting any recognition. Jill has a right to tell her side of the story too. She’s human, she gonna have some resentment about that shit and if she remember Sussanh being mean to her back in the day because of her own insecurities with Prince, ain't nothing wrong with her saying that shit. I don't mind her telling it like it is, she just need to be more tactful with that shit and let her relationship with Prince stand on its own and stop using Vanity as a comparison and a stepping stone to big her up. Appolonia needs to stop that shit too. If you have to call one of Prince girls the original, Vanity was the only true original, cuz even if they knew Prince before her, Vanity was the first girl Prince pushed in the light and that anybody knew or cared about in 82-83.

Actually, it was Susan Moonsie who Prince wanted to "push" into the limelight prior to him meeting Vanity. He wanted Susan to lead the girl group - originally called The Hookers - along with Brenda and Jamie Schoop. Susan did not want to be the lead for the group, so he initially had Jamie in that role. Then he met Denise in January 1982 at the AMAs, convinced her to move to MN, changed her name/image, and the rest is history.

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You stated Susannah's advantage of knowing "peeps" in the industry, however, Jill's Stepfather was Fuller Gordy, Barry Gordy's Brother. She had her own connections within the industry, which is how she met Prince in the first place - no different than Susannah, other than Susannah had experience in the recording studio earlier than Jill.

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You also stated that Susannah is "having peeps she knows call her the love of Prince's life." However, this has long been written in many of the reputable Biographies, including DMSR which was published in 2001. Here are a couple of statements by associates in the camp from that book:

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Page 131 - "Also recorded at Sunset Sound was a new song, "The Beautiful Ones", which replaced Electric Intercourse in the film and on the album. "It was kind of written about Wendy's twin sister Susannah", according to McCreary. "It was a scary song, the way he screams. It has a lot of passion and emotion. I think he was very much in love with Susannah." He fell deeply for her, although she was involved with another man at the time. Susannah would occupy a central place in Prince's work and emotions for three years, inspiring some of his most beautiful songwriting. "Prince really admired Wendy, but when he met Susannah he was absolutely smitten", says Rogers....Prince started sending her flowers every single day. He did it for almost a year.""

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Page 135 - "Prince had a lot of respect for Susannah, says Roy Bennett. He really loved her. She understood him. He told me one time that he was afraid of Susannah because she could actually make him quit music." Karen Krattinger, who was recruited in 1984 as an assistant to Purple Rain tour producer/manager Tommy Marzallo, before becoming General Manager of Prince's PRN Produciton Comany after the Purple Rain tour, says of Susannah, "She was good for him. He was more humane when she was around. I to this day believe that Susannah was the best thing that could ever have happened to him."

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So, these statements by associates are in no way "new" information. All of this has been discussed for years and years.

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violetcrush said:

I remember this tabloid article lol I think it was the National Enquirer or Star.Back then,I didn't believe that Prince was really gonna get married.He was too much of a player,lol.

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