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Reply #120 posted 06/24/19 9:54am

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violetcrush said:


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When Apollonia wrote 'You celebrated us that night' I think that means that she and Prince made love. That is what she is tryin 2 say. She has loved him since Purple Rain. The romantic in me has always wanted them 2 get 2gether yes



Oh come on!!! No way they slept together. I think he was probably celibate by that point anyway. He had already been looking unwell. If she and Prince were going to sleep together it would have happened during the PR time frame. She was married and also fooling around with David Lee Roth. Seems Prince probably was not her physical “type” but I think it’s great that they had a friendship. Prince got a bit of action with her during the filming of PR though biggrin One of these days we may see the (supposedly) very sexy shower and barn scenes which were cut due to Prince appearing visibly uncomfortable per the Director. smile


Yeah, he simply looked horrible.....


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Reply #121 posted 06/24/19 10:15am

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Yeah, he simply looked horrible.......

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You are kidding right? he looks flawless, healthy and beautiful here......not sure where you get the "already was looking bad" stuff from.

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Reply #122 posted 06/24/19 11:46am

violetcrush

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violetcrush said:


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Yeah, he simply looked horrible.....



sad sad sad


You are kidding right? he looks flawless, healthy and beautiful here.....not sure where you get the "already was looking bad" stuff from.



He was rail-thin by this point, and wearing tons of coverup.
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Reply #123 posted 06/24/19 12:15pm

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You are kidding right? he looks flawless, healthy and beautiful here......not sure where you get the "already was looking bad" stuff from.

He was rail-thin by this point, and wearing tons of coverup.

Leadline -u r being cruel sayin that Prince looked horrible. R u a fan of Prince? Doesn't sound like it sad

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Reply #124 posted 06/24/19 12:40pm

violetcrush

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violetcrush said:


leadline said:



You are kidding right? he looks flawless, healthy and beautiful here.....not sure where you get the "already was looking bad" stuff from.



He was rail-thin by this point, and wearing tons of coverup.

Leadline -u r being cruel sayin that Prince looked horrible. R u a fan of Prince? Doesn't sound like it sad



Leadline was being sarcastic. I said he did not look well - not at all “horrible”, because he never looked horrible. I meant he was not looking healthy. Anyone who states that something did not look “off” physically with Prince by 2013 is just sugarcoating the situation. The decline was much more evident by 2015-16, but the signs were there prior to that time.
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Reply #125 posted 06/24/19 2:36pm

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jungleluv said:

When Apollonia wrote 'You celebrated us that night' I think that means that she and Prince made love. That is what she is tryin 2 say. She has loved him since Purple Rain. The romantic in me has always wanted them 2 get 2gether yes

Oh come on!!! No way they slept together. I think he was probably celibate by that point anyway. He had already been looking unwell. If she and Prince were going to sleep together it would have happened during the PR time frame. She was married and also fooling around with David Lee Roth. Seems Prince probably was not her physical “type” but I think it’s great that they had a friendship. Prince got a bit of action with her during the filming of PR though biggrin One of these days we may see the (supposedly) very sexy shower and barn scenes which were cut due to Prince appearing visibly uncomfortable per the Director. smile

No way! She was insinuating but it is too hard to believe. I can't wait for his own Memoirs to be released. This is the only facts I would want to believe. His own words.

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Reply #126 posted 06/24/19 2:58pm

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jungleluv said:

Leadline -u r being cruel sayin that Prince looked horrible. R u a fan of Prince? Doesn't sound like it sad

Leadline was being sarcastic. I said he did not look well - not at all “horrible”, because he never looked horrible. I meant he was not looking healthy. Anyone who states that something did not look “off” physically with Prince by 2013 is just sugarcoating the situation. The decline was much more evident by 2015-16, but the signs were there prior to that time.


Thank you for pointing out the sarcasm in my post violetcrush......I don't know, I have to disagree with you here, I personally think he looked great right up to his passing. Maybe I am just seeing what I want to see, I don't know, but that is what I see. Most people around him during those years also did not notice an appearance change.

To me the pic I posted looks like Prince as usual, he looks like he is in his 30's here, and he has always been skinny, very skinny.

We will just have to agree to disagree.....I respect your post and viewpoint on all this.

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Reply #127 posted 06/24/19 3:00pm

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violetcrush said:

jungleluv said: Oh come on!!! No way they slept together. I think he was probably celibate by that point anyway. He had already been looking unwell. If she and Prince were going to sleep together it would have happened during the PR time frame. She was married and also fooling around with David Lee Roth. Seems Prince probably was not her physical “type” but I think it’s great that they had a friendship. Prince got a bit of action with her during the filming of PR though biggrin One of these days we may see the (supposedly) very sexy shower and barn scenes which were cut due to Prince appearing visibly uncomfortable per the Director. smile

No way! She was insinuating but it is too hard to believe. I can't wait for his own Memoirs to be released. This is the only facts I would want to believe. His own words.


There are no checks and balances with the memoirs, if you think it is going be filled with facts, you are more niave than i thought.

[Edited 6/24/19 15:00pm]

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Reply #128 posted 06/24/19 3:51pm

violetcrush

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violetcrush said:


jungleluv said:


Leadline -u r being cruel sayin that Prince looked horrible. R u a fan of Prince? Doesn't sound like it sad



Leadline was being sarcastic. I said he did not look well - not at all “horrible”, because he never looked horrible. I meant he was not looking healthy. Anyone who states that something did not look “off” physically with Prince by 2013 is just sugarcoating the situation. The decline was much more evident by 2015-16, but the signs were there prior to that time.


Thank you for pointing out the sarcasm in my post violetcrush.....I don't know, I have to disagree with you here, I personally think he looked great right up to his passing. Maybe I am just seeing what I want to see, I don't know, but that is what I see. Most people around him during those years also did not notice an appearance change.

To me the pic I posted looks like Prince as usual, he looks like he is in his 30's here, and he has always been skinny, very skinny.

We will just have to agree to disagree.....I respect your post and viewpoint on all this.


Yes, it’s really subject to the eye of the beholder with that time frame. I actually felt that his appearance was changing by 2011-2012. Again, still well put together and attractive - just more tired I guess. I think the downward slide of the pain med addiction probably started around that time period.
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Reply #129 posted 06/24/19 9:20pm

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There is no one that can look at the photos of Prince from at the very least 2014 onward and believe he looked like himself. He lost all muscle definition, and looked sallow.


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Reply #130 posted 06/25/19 6:53am

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There is no one that can look at the photos of Prince from at the very least 2014 onward and believe he looked like himself. He lost all muscle definition, and looked sallow.


I can.


Losing muscle definition is what happens when you are almost pushin' 60. Look at his arms in the 2013 Montreaux concert series, no real definition at all, which is absolutely not out of the ordinary for his age.


Additionally, a super giant afro naturally makes ones body and face seem thinner than it actually is.


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Reply #131 posted 06/25/19 10:12am

violetcrush

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:


There is no one that can look at the photos of Prince from at the very least 2014 onward and believe he looked like himself. He lost all muscle definition, and looked sallow.






I can.



Losing muscle definition is what happens when you are almost pushin' 60. Look at his arms in the 2013 Montreaux concert series, no real definition at all, which is absolutely not out of the ordinary for his age.




Additionally, a super giant afro naturally makes ones body and face seem thinner than it actually is.


[Edited 6/25/19 8:36am]


Even his Afro was looking thinner by that time - just my opinion, and his skin did not appear healthy - it had a sallow look. These are the physical consequences of loss of appetite due to dependence on pain meds. Your body begins to shut down without the nutrition it needs.
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Reply #132 posted 06/25/19 2:04pm

malbena

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malbena said:




violetcrush said:


jungleluv said: Oh come on!!! No way they slept together. I think he was probably celibate by that point anyway. He had already been looking unwell. If she and Prince were going to sleep together it would have happened during the PR time frame. She was married and also fooling around with David Lee Roth. Seems Prince probably was not her physical “type” but I think it’s great that they had a friendship. Prince got a bit of action with her during the filming of PR though biggrin One of these days we may see the (supposedly) very sexy shower and barn scenes which were cut due to Prince appearing visibly uncomfortable per the Director. smile


No way! She was insinuating but it is too hard to believe. I can't wait for his own Memoirs to be released. This is the only facts I would want to believe. His own words.




There are no checks and balances with the memoirs, if you think it is going be filled with facts, you are more niave than i thought.

[Edited 6/24/19 15:00pm]



And you know that because...? Unless you read the book, shut up and wait for its release.
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Reply #133 posted 06/25/19 2:46pm

violetcrush

malbena said:

leadline said:



malbena said:




violetcrush said:


jungleluv said: Oh come on!!! No way they slept together. I think he was probably celibate by that point anyway. He had already been looking unwell. If she and Prince were going to sleep together it would have happened during the PR time frame. She was married and also fooling around with David Lee Roth. Seems Prince probably was not her physical “type” but I think it’s great that they had a friendship. Prince got a bit of action with her during the filming of PR though biggrin One of these days we may see the (supposedly) very sexy shower and barn scenes which were cut due to Prince appearing visibly uncomfortable per the Director. smile


No way! She was insinuating but it is too hard to believe. I can't wait for his own Memoirs to be released. This is the only facts I would want to believe. His own words.




There are no checks and balances with the memoirs, if you think it is going be filled with facts, you are more niave than i thought.

[Edited 6/24/19 15:00pm]



And you know that because...? Unless you read the book, shut up and wait for its release.

Though it’s been stated by the publisher that Prince only made it through his childhood years with his own writing. The rest up and through Purple Rain has been pieced together by the publisher - I’m guessing by using his words in interviews. However, we know Prince was not always honest during interviews. So, the expectations are not high for learning new information beyond his childhood years.
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Reply #134 posted 06/25/19 8:14pm

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malbena said:
And you know that because...? Unless you read the book, shut up and wait for its release.
Though it’s been stated by the publisher that Prince only made it through his childhood years with his own writing. The rest up and through Purple Rain has been pieced together by the publisher - I’m guessing by using his words in interviews. However, we know Prince was not always honest during interviews. So, the expectations are not high for learning new information beyond his childhood years.


Yep. I think the tally was 2500-3000 words he did, not much at all, and you know they will take liberties, it's the nature of the beast unfortunately.

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Reply #135 posted 06/25/19 8:15pm

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leadline said:


There are no checks and balances with the memoirs, if you think it is going be filled with facts, you are more niave than i thought.

[Edited 6/24/19 15:00pm]

And you know that because...? Unless you read the book, shut up and wait for its release.


It's common sense......get some.

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Reply #136 posted 06/25/19 8:19pm

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If it wasn't for Vanity's funeral it would have been years since they kept in touch. So to state that he kept in touch with Susannah until the end, isn't really an accurate statement...Susannahs phone number or emails weren't in any of the records. Susannah did borrow $$ from Prince, but we don't know how old that debt was. I'm also inclined to believe that it wasn't Prince who personally reached out to these people, but rather someone on his staff.

Wendy, Lisa and Susannah remained in contact with Prince through the years after they left the camp. Susannah has confirmed she continued to see Prince long after she moved back to LA - most likely until 1991 when she began a serious relationship with John Cusack. She also confirmed that a year or so before Prince died Bobby Z called her to let her know that Prince was looking for her, because he had heard about her financial struggles. The media was covering her court case with her Ex. Prior to this Susannah had not spoken to Prince due to an argument they had when he called her to discuss the new record for The Family and using the name. Susannah has confirmed she saw and spoke to Prince often during the early 2000’s. Wendy and Lisa also occasionally performed with him during that time. * Regarding the A6 women - Brenda, in an interview she did after Prince passed, talked about going to his concert on the Musicology tour with Susan Moonsie, who was visiting her from Trinidad. Prince brought them back stage and then had a Limo pick them up the next night so she could bring her 10 yr old Son. Prince also had Apollonia on stage with him during his first Gala show Jan 2016, a month prior to Vanity’s unexpected passing. So, with possibly the exception of Jill Jones, it was not her funeral that brought them back together. * Regardless of what some may think they know about who Prince kept in touch with it has become clear that he cared for these people who were with him in the beginning and he stayed in touch with them regardless of any stretches of time in between seeing or talking to them. [Edited 6/17/19 5:44am] [Edited 6/17/19 5:45am]



Well said violetcrush, I share those sentiments.

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Reply #137 posted 06/26/19 6:02am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

There is no one that can look at the photos of Prince from at the very least 2014 onward and believe he looked like himself. He lost all muscle definition, and looked sallow.


I can.


Losing muscle definition is what happens when you are almost pushin' 60. Look at his arms in the 2013 Montreaux concert series, no real definition at all, which is absolutely not out of the ordinary for his age.


Additionally, a super giant afro naturally makes ones body and face seem thinner than it actually is.


[Edited 6/25/19 8:36am]

and yet in 2014 he was looking great at those UK shows, one of my main takeaways at the time were how he looked so good physically, he had muscles.

He certainly looked frailer only 6 months later but I never saw him "in person" again, so to speak, so at the time I put it down to them just being internet photos.


[Edited 6/26/19 6:03am]

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Reply #138 posted 06/26/19 8:46am

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There sure seems to be a huge amount of vying for position amongst the Purple Ladies...I find it all quite amusing. Lot's of 'he wrote this song for me / about me', 'i'm not like the others' ! etc

P was such a player, we know he used his words & charm to get what he wanted when he wanted. Probably spun the Nothing Compares to you line countless times!!

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Reply #139 posted 06/26/19 11:59am

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There sure seems to be a huge amount of vying for position amongst the Purple Ladies...I find it all quite amusing. Lot's of 'he wrote this song for me / about me', 'i'm not like the others' ! etc

P was such a player, we know he used his words & charm to get what he wanted when he wanted. Probably spun the Nothing Compares to you line countless times!!

Nah...not with the more important songs. I don't think anyone other than Susannah has claimed to be at least part of the inspiration for that song - I actually think she is most of the inspiration - because it is a straight-up love song, and a very heartfelt love song which is how he always performed it too. I mean, when you lay yourself down on a giant red heart reclining backward (Nude tour) at the end of the song - you're singing about more than just missing your housekeeper biggrin

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He also, in a very rare moment (1997 AOL online interview), divulged that Forever In My Life was written for Susannah. That was quite shocking, because he NEVER did that - other than the songs that were obviously written about his marriage and baby.

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No question though, he most likely "multi-tasked" when it came to some songs and the women. We know that, even though TMBGITW had been connected to Mayte, Carmen E posted a card written to her (at the time the song was released) by Prince stating, "to the most beautiful girl in the world..". More than likely, that song was written with another woman in mind, but we'll probably never know for sure. There are only a handful of songs in which he gave the specific person/people who inspired him to write it. For the rest we have only the lyrics - sometimes more obvious, but mostly cryptic - to try to make a connection.

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Reply #140 posted 06/28/19 8:55am

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There sure seems to be a huge amount of vying for position amongst the Purple Ladies...I find it all quite amusing. Lot's of 'he wrote this song for me / about me', 'i'm not like the others' ! etc

P was such a player, we know he used his words & charm to get what he wanted when he wanted. Probably spun the Nothing Compares to you line countless times!!

The funny thing is later years with Judith Hill and Andy Allo and even Brooke, people labelled them girlfriends, I think Prince by this time may have had women around him, but he was not doing anything with them, I think a lot of that stopped in Manuela days. By the vying for position is SO true and its all from those days, there is a lot of "issues" in the early era.


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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

There is no one that can look at the photos of Prince from at the very least 2014 onward and believe he looked like himself. He lost all muscle definition, and looked sallow.


I can.


Losing muscle definition is what happens when you are almost pushin' 60. Look at his arms in the 2013 Montreaux concert series, no real definition at all, which is absolutely not out of the ordinary for his age.


Additionally, a super giant afro naturally makes ones body and face seem thinner than it actually is.


[Edited 6/25/19 8:36am]

Those close to him noticed changes, Lisa Coleman talks of seeing him and thinking somehting is not right, his eyes did not have that LOOK anymore and also when she hugged him she felt he was so thin not normally thin but more than usual. Yes he was getting older, but if you look between 2012 and then 2014,2015 very different.

[Edited 6/28/19 8:59am]


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Reply #142 posted 06/28/19 10:56am

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leadline said:




ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:


There is no one that can look at the photos of Prince from at the very least 2014 onward and believe he looked like himself. He lost all muscle definition, and looked sallow.






I can.



Losing muscle definition is what happens when you are almost pushin' 60. Look at his arms in the 2013 Montreaux concert series, no real definition at all, which is absolutely not out of the ordinary for his age.




Additionally, a super giant afro naturally makes ones body and face seem thinner than it actually is.



[Edited 6/25/19 8:36am]




Those close to him noticed changes, Lisa Coleman talks of seeing him and thinking somehting is not right, his eyes did not have that LOOK anymore and also when she hugged him she felt he was so thin not normally thin but more than usual. Yes he was getting older, but if you look between 2012 and then 2014,2015 very different.

[Edited 6/28/19 8:59am]


Yes I agree - subtle changes in 2012-2013, but a quicker decline 2014 onward.
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Reply #143 posted 06/28/19 10:58am

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lastdecember said:

Those close to him noticed changes, Lisa Coleman talks of seeing him and thinking somehting is not right, his eyes did not have that LOOK anymore and also when she hugged him she felt he was so thin not normally thin but more than usual. Yes he was getting older, but if you look between 2012 and then 2014,2015 very different.

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Yes I agree - subtle changes in 2012-2013, but a quicker decline 2014 onward.

Yes i agree, once he stopped the shows with 3rd Eye Girl, and then there was a gap and then he was doing Piano and Mic and it was just him, I always felt that was on purpose so no one was around to notice or question it.


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Reply #144 posted 06/28/19 11:02am

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violetcrush said:


lastdecember said:



Those close to him noticed changes, Lisa Coleman talks of seeing him and thinking somehting is not right, his eyes did not have that LOOK anymore and also when she hugged him she felt he was so thin not normally thin but more than usual. Yes he was getting older, but if you look between 2012 and then 2014,2015 very different.


[Edited 6/28/19 8:59am]



Yes I agree - subtle changes in 2012-2013, but a quicker decline 2014 onward.


Yes i agree, once he stopped the shows with 3rd Eye Girl, and then there was a gap and then he was doing Piano and Mic and it was just him, I always felt that was on purpose so no one was around to notice or question it.


Could be the case for sure. Also, he may have no longer had the physical stamina to endure his usual full band show, which required so much movement from him.
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violetcrush said:

lastdecember said: Yes I agree - subtle changes in 2012-2013, but a quicker decline 2014 onward.

Yes i agree, once he stopped the shows with 3rd Eye Girl, and then there was a gap and then he was doing Piano and Mic and it was just him, I always felt that was on purpose so no one was around to notice or question it.


Yet he was around people all the time at paisley, getting black is the new black together, among other things. The only isolation he had was the show itself, I think folks are possibly reading a little too much into this.

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Reply #146 posted 06/30/19 3:41pm

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lastdecember said:




violetcrush said:


lastdecember said: Yes I agree - subtle changes in 2012-2013, but a quicker decline 2014 onward.


Yes i agree, once he stopped the shows with 3rd Eye Girl, and then there was a gap and then he was doing Piano and Mic and it was just him, I always felt that was on purpose so no one was around to notice or question it.




Yet he was around people all the time at paisley, getting black is the new black together, among other things. The only isolation he had was the show itself, I think folks are possibly reading a little too much into this.


I think PP was quite sparse in terms of who was really hanging around during the last two years. Prince had referenced that in the Ebony article that was pulled. He stated “it be quiet around here, but I like it that way..”.
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I think the people who were there on a regular basis were not going to say anything about it. Hence the reason for the last minute emergency intervention that cane too late.
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violetcrush said:

leadline said:


You are kidding right? he looks flawless, healthy and beautiful here......not sure where you get the "already was looking bad" stuff from.

He was rail-thin by this point, and wearing tons of coverup.

I am with you. He looked very healthy during his time with the twinz and Bria. After 2010 he slowly went down hill aging faster in those 6 years theb he had previously. He was extremely thin. Lucky for him there are plent of women who love the super thin, could be a man, could be an older woman with a lot of facial hair look.

There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin.
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Reply #148 posted 07/02/19 1:47pm

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violetcrush said:


leadline said:



You are kidding right? he looks flawless, healthy and beautiful here.....not sure where you get the "already was looking bad" stuff from.



He was rail-thin by this point, and wearing tons of coverup.


I am with you. He looked very healthy during his time with the twinz and Bria. After 2010 he slowly went down hill aging faster in those 6 years theb he had previously. He was extremely thin. Lucky for him there are plent of women who love the super thin, could be a man, could be an older woman with a lot of facial hair look.


He was always small, but still had “meat” on his bones. Yes, by 2011 his appearance was changing - first in the face and then with the weight loss. He started wearing layered and loose clothing. He always looked “put together”, but at a certain point the outfits could not hide the changes.
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Reply #149 posted 07/08/19 10:06am

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Deadflow3r said:

I am with you. He looked very healthy during his time with the twinz and Bria. After 2010 he slowly went down hill aging faster in those 6 years theb he had previously. He was extremely thin. Lucky for him there are plent of women who love the super thin, could be a man, could be an older woman with a lot of facial hair look.

He was always small, but still had “meat” on his bones. Yes, by 2011 his appearance was changing - first in the face and then with the weight loss. He started wearing layered and loose clothing. He always looked “put together”, but at a certain point the outfits could not hide the changes.

The women in his life looked less pulled together also, or should I say "more of a relaxed style". Weirdly I believe that before 2011 he influenced and even dictated what his protege's wore. After 20ten I feel like the women in his life effected him more.

There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin.
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