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Reply #360 posted 04/24/19 9:10pm

violetcrush

MoodyBlumes said:



violetcrush said:


MoodyBlumes said:


This was Kim's public salon that he helped her set up (financed it), and Kim recounts that he was treated like any other client; that he walked through the front door. There is no fleshing out of the tale, and the reader doesn't get any sense of what is going on given everything that we know about him as a fan.


Confusing is a good descriptor...


Kim writes about Prince forming the Time in one paragraph, and in the paragraph following makes serious revelations about Prince's mother (having claimed from the beginning that this wouldn't be a tell all). Of course none of these secret revelations can be substantiated, and I guess for Kim that's 'the beauty'.



Ruth Arzate might be a good source to verify some of this information. She was his right hand from the early 2000’s through 2009-2010, right? She seems to tell it straight up (from listening to her interview with Questlove), and I would imagine she would know if Kim’s salon story is true.

The salon story isn't really the issue for me... the book is.


Yes I know. I just meant with regard to validating some of the stories in the book. We can’t validate conversations she claims to have had with Prince, however it would be easier to determine whether or not he regularly had his hair done with other customers at her salon.
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Reply #361 posted 04/24/19 9:15pm

MoodyBlumes

violetcrush said:

MoodyBlumes said:

The salon story isn't really the issue for me... the book is.

Yes I know. I just meant with regard to validating some of the stories in the book. We can’t validate conversations she claims to have had with Prince, however it would be easier to determine whether or not he regularly had his hair done with other customers at her salon.

Yes, absolutely... it would be great if that could happen. But many others who worked with Prince are busy with their own careers, doing awesome things like creating music, or even playing his music in tribute (Revolution, NPG). I'm not sure they want to get caught up in wrangling with the hairdresser... and there are many problematic issues with her book.

[Edited 4/24/19 21:16pm]

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Reply #362 posted 04/24/19 9:20pm

MoodyBlumes

pinkcashmere23 said:

rogifan said:

PennyPurple said: This photo was taken in Italy. Prince performed there in Nov 2010. 2zdq2s4.jpg Members of NPG or 3EG would be able to confirm if Kim was around past 2010. But I doubt anyone will ask them. On her Instagram are photos from the BET tribute including one of her and Sheila, as well as at Celebration (one photo of her, Liv, Shelby, Donna and Ida).

Kim is listed in the Welcome 2 Australia and Welcome 2 Chicago tour books so she was around then. She's got photos that were taken backstage as well.

I heard it was more like 2012 that she stopped working for him. Posthumous tributes don't count because I think some assumed she was on good terms with Prince and so reached out to her (so did we fans who bought this book). Regardless, I'm not counting 29 years...

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Reply #363 posted 04/24/19 9:25pm

CatB

Ruth told me a lot of things that she got from Kim that were even worse than the book.

Ruth is still healing. She was one of the few real people in his life and deserves better. She was the driving force behind things that improved his life and kept him going in all the madness.
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Reply #364 posted 04/24/19 9:36pm

MoodyBlumes

CatB said:

Ruth told me a lot of things that she got from Kim that were even worse than the book. Ruth is still healing. She was one of the few real people in his life and deserves better. She was the driving force behind things that improved his life and kept him going in all the madness.

I think a real friend is someone who protects you. Think about the madness any one of us goes through on a day to day basis at work or with our family or friends. There are 3 sides to any story and the stories, tales, disputes, issues imho are not meant to be 'fought out' in post humous books when the person in question isn't available to speak, and fans are not going to be of benefit or receive any benefit. Many of us became fans because of Prince's music and the magic that he brought us in concert. These memories have supported us in life. Nobody believes that Prince or anyone else is perfect, but a certain dignity is expected from those who write books and claim to be friends and family.

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Reply #365 posted 04/24/19 9:56pm

pinkcashmere23

MoodyBlumes said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Kim is listed in the Welcome 2 Australia and Welcome 2 Chicago tour books so she was around then. She's got photos that were taken backstage as well.

I heard it was more like 2012 that she stopped working for him. Posthumous tributes don't count because I think some assumed she was on good terms with Prince and so reached out to her (so did we fans who bought this book). Regardless, I'm not counting 29 years...

Yes I think it was around the time 3rdeyegirl was starting up. She isn't included in the lists for their tours on Prince Vault. She's listed for W2Australia along with Katrina Appie,Arturo Padilla and Andre #1. She has photos from the W2A and W2C tours posted on one of her IGs and I saw her down front on one of the Chicago show boots so she was around at least until September 2012.

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Reply #366 posted 04/24/19 10:08pm

MoodyBlumes

pinkcashmere23 said:

MoodyBlumes said:

I heard it was more like 2012 that she stopped working for him. Posthumous tributes don't count because I think some assumed she was on good terms with Prince and so reached out to her (so did we fans who bought this book). Regardless, I'm not counting 29 years...

Yes I think it was around the time 3rdeyegirl was starting up. She isn't included in the lists for their tours on Prince Vault. She's listed for W2Australia along with Katrina Appie,Arturo Padilla and Andre #1. She has photos from the W2A and W2C tours posted on one of her IGs and I saw her down front on one of the Chicago show boots so she was around at least until September 2012.

Okay, then why claim 29 years... I don't understand this book quite honestly. She could have written something great for fans but didn't, imho.

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Reply #367 posted 04/24/19 10:22pm

onlyforaminute

MoodyBlumes said:



onlyforaminute said:


MoodyBlumes said:


Did she live at Paisley Park? In her book, she talks about Prince going to her salon in LA to get his hair done. We find her appearing in private conversations with D'Angelo; she claims that immediately after his big meeting with Warners (where he writes Slave on his face), he heads on over to the Beverly Hills hotel to get his hair done by Kim. Now I know Prince was a bit different, but not sure why he would get his hair done after this important meeting? And wouldn't he speak to Mayte, or one of his trusted musicians afterward? Why head to the hairdresser?



You skipped over a lot.flower flower [Yes there were times she stayed at PP. flower flower

You skipped over my question... did Kim Berry live at Paisley Park? You have also skipped over the rest of what I have written which for any normal Prince fan or even regular person is... not believable.


[Edited 4/24/19 20:41pm]



I'm guessing you don't understand what ztayed means as opposed to worked.

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Reply #368 posted 04/24/19 10:23pm

CatB

MoodyBlumes said:

CatB said:

Ruth told me a lot of things that she got from Kim that were even worse than the book. Ruth is still healing. She was one of the few real people in his life and deserves better. She was the driving force behind things that improved his life and kept him going in all the madness.

I think a real friend is someone who protects you. Think about the madness any one of us goes through on a day to day basis at work or with our family or friends. There are 3 sides to any story and the stories, tales, disputes, issues imho are not meant to be 'fought out' in post humous books when the person in question isn't available to speak, and fans are not going to be of benefit or receive any benefit. Many of us became fans because of Prince's music and the magic that he brought us in concert. These memories have supported us in life. Nobody believes that Prince or anyone else is perfect, but a certain dignity is expected from those who write books and claim to be friends and family.

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Reply #369 posted 04/24/19 10:24pm

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CatB said:

MoodyBlumes said:

I think a real friend is someone who protects you. Think about the madness any one of us goes through on a day to day basis at work or with our family or friends. There are 3 sides to any story and the stories, tales, disputes, issues imho are not meant to be 'fought out' in post humous books when the person in question isn't available to speak, and fans are not going to be of benefit or receive any benefit. Many of us became fans because of Prince's music and the magic that he brought us in concert. These memories have supported us in life. Nobody believes that Prince or anyone else is perfect, but a certain dignity is expected from those who write books and claim to be friends and family.

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a real friend doesn't write a book about you telling your business

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Reply #370 posted 04/24/19 10:25pm

MoodyBlumes

onlyforaminute said:

MoodyBlumes said:

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You skipped over my question... did Kim Berry live at Paisley Park? You have also skipped over the rest of what I have written which for any normal Prince fan or even regular person is... not believable.

[Edited 4/24/19 20:41pm]

I'm guessing you don't understand what ztayed means as opposed to worked.

I'm guessing that you don't understand what lived means as opposed to stayed. I have stayed at my boss' house too, but I don't live there... You have also not read the rest of my post.

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Reply #371 posted 04/24/19 10:28pm

MoodyBlumes

rdhull said:

CatB said:



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a real friend doesn't write a book about you telling your business

Right, I wouldn't expect a friend of mine to be writing such a book about me when I'm gone. But as has been highlighted here, there appears to be much fabrication and tabloidism to make some coin, in the guise of claiming to be a true friend, confidante, family who Prince entrusted with his heart, blah, blah, blah...

[Edited 4/24/19 22:31pm]

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Reply #372 posted 04/24/19 10:33pm

onlyforaminute

MoodyBlumes said:



onlyforaminute said:


MoodyBlumes said:


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You skipped over my question... did Kim Berry live at Paisley Park? You have also skipped over the rest of what I have written which for any normal Prince fan or even regular person is... not believable.


[Edited 4/24/19 20:41pm]




I'm guessing you don't understand what ztayed means as opposed to worked.



I'm guessing that you don't understand what lived means as opposed to stayed. I have stayed at my boss' house too, but I don't live there... You have also not read the rest of my post.




Then what are you implying then? You're coming off a scattered and all over the place as the book.
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Reply #373 posted 04/24/19 10:36pm

MoodyBlumes

onlyforaminute said:

MoodyBlumes said:

I'm guessing that you don't understand what lived means as opposed to stayed. I have stayed at my boss' house too, but I don't live there... You have also not read the rest of my post.

Then what are you implying then? You're coming off a scattered and all over the place as the book.

Well it is a good thing that you haven't paid money for my posting then. I am implying that there are many fabrications in this book.

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Reply #374 posted 04/24/19 10:37pm

CatB

MoodyBlumes said:

rdhull said:

a real friend doesn't write a book about you telling your business

Right, I wouldn't expect a friend of mine to be writing such a book about me when I'm gone. But as has been highlighted here, there appears to be much fabrication and tabloidism to make some coin, in the guise of claiming to be a true friend, confidante, family who Prince entrusted with his heart, blah, blah, blah...

[Edited 4/24/19 22:31pm]



And? What has that to do with my post?



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Reply #375 posted 04/24/19 10:42pm

onlyforaminute

MoodyBlumes said:



onlyforaminute said:


MoodyBlumes said:


I'm guessing that you don't understand what lived means as opposed to stayed. I have stayed at my boss' house too, but I don't live there... You have also not read the rest of my post.



Then what are you implying then? You're coming off a scattered and all over the place as the book.

Well it is a good thing that you haven't paid money for my posting then. I am implying that there are many fabrications in this book.




Who would be "living" at PP besides Prince?
If you carry the egg basket do not dance.

Do good, then throw it into the sea.

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Reply #376 posted 04/24/19 10:49pm

MoodyBlumes

CatB said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Right, I wouldn't expect a friend of mine to be writing such a book about me when I'm gone. But as has been highlighted here, there appears to be much fabrication and tabloidism to make some coin, in the guise of claiming to be a true friend, confidante, family who Prince entrusted with his heart, blah, blah, blah...

[Edited 4/24/19 22:31pm]



And? What has that to do with my post?



Perhaps I don't understand your post? It seems to imply that Prince was even worse that what has been portrayed in the book. When people make claims that they served as Prince's confidante, therapist, family, someone who Prince entrusted with his heart, it does not ring true in the context of this book. "She was the driving force...etc." does not mean anything to the average fan, and it can't be substantiated. Perhaps I'm not sure of the purpose of your post.

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Reply #377 posted 04/24/19 10:52pm

MoodyBlumes

onlyforaminute said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Well it is a good thing that you haven't paid money for my posting then. I am implying that there are many fabrications in this book.

Who would be "living" at PP besides Prince?

I'm pretty sure Kim wasn't living there, or sitting in on private conversations with D'Angelo, or meeting him after major meetings with Warners to debrief while he gets coiffed. The book is written as though Prince put her in his pocket and carried her around with him. In other words, does not ring true.

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Reply #378 posted 04/24/19 10:57pm

onlyforaminute

MoodyBlumes said:



onlyforaminute said:


MoodyBlumes said:


Well it is a good thing that you haven't paid money for my posting then. I am implying that there are many fabrications in this book.



Who would be "living" at PP besides Prince?

I'm pretty sure Kim wasn't living there, or sitting in on private conversations with D'Angelo, or meeting him after major meetings with Warners to debrief while he gets coiffed. The book is written as though Prince put her in his pocket and carried her around with him. In other words, does not ring true.

[Edited 4/24/19 22:53pm]




Ok. Everything said in the book is a lie and only us true fans know the truth. Got it. thumbs up!
If you carry the egg basket do not dance.

Do good, then throw it into the sea.

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Reply #379 posted 04/24/19 11:01pm

MoodyBlumes

onlyforaminute said:

MoodyBlumes said:

I'm pretty sure Kim wasn't living there, or sitting in on private conversations with D'Angelo, or meeting him after major meetings with Warners to debrief while he gets coiffed. The book is written as though Prince put her in his pocket and carried her around with him. In other words, does not ring true.

[Edited 4/24/19 22:53pm]

Ok. Everything said in the book is a lie and only us true fans know the truth. Got it. thumbs up!

I never said everything in the book is a lie. Half truths read just as poorly. Folks can pay Berry whatever they wish for Prince's hair, socks, jewerly, tales... go ahead.

[Edited 4/24/19 23:03pm]

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Reply #380 posted 04/24/19 11:07pm

CatB

MoodyBlumes said:

CatB said:



And? What has that to do with my post?



Perhaps I don't understand your post? It seems to imply that Prince was even worse that what has been portrayed in the book. When people make claims that they served as Prince's confidante, therapist, family, someone who Prince entrusted with his heart, it does not ring true in the context of this book. "She was the driving force...etc." does not mean anything to the average fan, and it can't be substantiated. Perhaps I'm not sure of the purpose of your post.




Yeah, you obviously didn't read my post. I was talking about Ruth. She was the driving force and a positive constant in his life. Kim initiated her when she first started working for Prince and she gave her stories that are even worse than what she wrote in her book.

That is what I said. I have posted nowhere that I support Kim's book - on the contrary, if you read my posts in the 2 book threads. She had no right in taking his personal business out there. And people who know me know that Prince has all my loyalty. Nowhere have I implied that Prince was even worse than what Kim Berry writes in her book.

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Reply #381 posted 04/24/19 11:11pm

onlyforaminute

MoodyBlumes said:



onlyforaminute said:


MoodyBlumes said:


I'm pretty sure Kim wasn't living there, or sitting in on private conversations with D'Angelo, or meeting him after major meetings with Warners to debrief while he gets coiffed. The book is written as though Prince put her in his pocket and carried her around with him. In other words, does not ring true.


[Edited 4/24/19 22:53pm]



Ok. Everything said in the book is a lie and only us true fans know the truth. Got it. thumbs up!

I never said everything in the book is a lie. Half truths read just as poorly. Folks can pay Berry whatever they wish for Prince's hair, socks, jewerly, tales... go ahead.

[Edited 4/24/19 23:03pm]





Well if she only ever did his hair at a public salon in LA, then most of what else that's in that book has to be a lie because it said more than that.
[Edited 4/24/19 23:12pm]
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Reply #382 posted 04/24/19 11:14pm

MoodyBlumes

CatB said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Perhaps I don't understand your post? It seems to imply that Prince was even worse that what has been portrayed in the book. When people make claims that they served as Prince's confidante, therapist, family, someone who Prince entrusted with his heart, it does not ring true in the context of this book. "She was the driving force...etc." does not mean anything to the average fan, and it can't be substantiated. Perhaps I'm not sure of the purpose of your post.




Yeah, you obviously didn't read my post. I was talking about Ruth. She was the driving force and a positive constant in his life. Kim initiated her when she first started working for Prince and she gave her stories that are even worse than what she wrote in her book.

That is what I said. I have posted nowhere that I support Kim's book - on the contrary, if you read my posts in the 2 book threads. She had no right in taking his personal business out there. And people who know me know that Prince has all my loyalty. Nowhere have I implied that Prince was even worse than what Kim Berry writes in her book.

Ah okay, my apologies. I am a bit upset having read this book so am coming to vent smile

I feel betrayed by Kim Berry quite honestly.

Thank you for being a friend to Prince... he needs them even in death, and his fans do too. Prince's music has meant so much to us. I don't wish to berate anybody, but in this case feel the need to speak about Kim's book. It is self published, but regardless was in very poor taste. Thank you again.

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Reply #383 posted 04/24/19 11:19pm

MoodyBlumes

onlyforaminute said:

MoodyBlumes said:

I never said everything in the book is a lie. Half truths read just as poorly. Folks can pay Berry whatever they wish for Prince's hair, socks, jewerly, tales... go ahead.

[Edited 4/24/19 23:03pm]

Well if she only ever did his hair at a public salon in LA, then most of what else that's in that book has to be a lie because it said more than that. [Edited 4/24/19 23:12pm]

If we'd like to discuss the lies in the book, we need just start with the cover. You are certainly free to read and pay for Kim's books as is your choice.

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Reply #384 posted 04/24/19 11:21pm

onlyforaminute

MoodyBlumes said:



onlyforaminute said:


MoodyBlumes said:


I never said everything in the book is a lie. Half truths read just as poorly. Folks can pay Berry whatever they wish for Prince's hair, socks, jewerly, tales... go ahead.


[Edited 4/24/19 23:03pm]



Well if she only ever did his hair at a public salon in LA, then most of what else that's in that book has to be a lie because it said more than that. [Edited 4/24/19 23:12pm]

If we'd like to discuss the lies in the book, we need just start with the cover. You are certainly free to read and pay for Kim's books as is your choice.




Oh, thank you for the info. Much appreciated.
If you carry the egg basket do not dance.

Do good, then throw it into the sea.

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Reply #385 posted 04/24/19 11:25pm

CatB

MoodyBlumes said:

CatB said:




Yeah, you obviously didn't read my post. I was talking about Ruth. She was the driving force and a positive constant in his life. Kim initiated her when she first started working for Prince and she gave her stories that are even worse than what she wrote in her book.

That is what I said. I have posted nowhere that I support Kim's book - on the contrary, if you read my posts in the 2 book threads. She had no right in taking his personal business out there. And people who know me know that Prince has all my loyalty. Nowhere have I implied that Prince was even worse than what Kim Berry writes in her book.

Ah okay, my apologies. I am a bit upset having read this book so am coming to vent smile

I feel betrayed by Kim Berry quite honestly.

Thank you for being a friend to Prince... he needs them even in death, and his fans do too. Prince's music has meant so much to us. I don't wish to berate anybody, but in this case feel the need to speak about Kim's book. It is self published, but regardless was in very poor taste. Thank you again.



Fair enough. No hard feelings. Just clarifying that in no way I am supporting Kim Berry and her hair-raising stories (forgive the pun).



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Reply #386 posted 04/24/19 11:33pm

MoodyBlumes

CatB said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Ah okay, my apologies. I am a bit upset having read this book so am coming to vent smile

I feel betrayed by Kim Berry quite honestly.

Thank you for being a friend to Prince... he needs them even in death, and his fans do too. Prince's music has meant so much to us. I don't wish to berate anybody, but in this case feel the need to speak about Kim's book. It is self published, but regardless was in very poor taste. Thank you again.



Fair enough. No hard feelings. Just clarifying that in no way I am supporting Kim Berry and her hair-raising stories (forgive the pun).



Great thank you. And good to know that Prince had a Ruth in his life smile

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Reply #387 posted 04/25/19 1:16am

MoodyBlumes

poppys said:

onlyforaminute said:

rdhull said:

I ain't gonna try to lie. If that gardener survived that man for a couple of decades, maybe, Granted he wouldn't have travelled anywhere with him, still he'd know a thing or two that happened on the grounds that's at least worth a good interview. I think I see why I'm picking up a ticked off vibe from the book.

Folks in her face one minute then dismissed her when there got to be money involved. She's just the hairdresser afterall. Wait. I meant she's just the help.


Good points. Just had to laugh with rdhull for some comic relief.

One of the things that bothers me about this thread (I rarely go to associates, too harsh) - is bashing her for being financially strapped. It's a crime now in the US to be poor, for whatever reason.

I haven't seen anyone bashing her for being financially strapped. She was Prince's former hairdresser. Prince helped her open 2 salons, and she markets herself (today) as being a celebrity stylist who serviced the creme de la creme of Hollywood. Are people not needing haircuts and color anymore? I can understand feeling terrible for those who need to resort to prostitution for a living, but not sure why I should be feeling sorry for Kim Berry.

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Reply #388 posted 04/25/19 2:21am

MoodyBlumes

MoodyBlumes said:

poppys said:


Good points. Just had to laugh with rdhull for some comic relief.

One of the things that bothers me about this thread (I rarely go to associates, too harsh) - is bashing her for being financially strapped. It's a crime now in the US to be poor, for whatever reason.

I haven't seen anyone bashing her for being financially strapped. She was Prince's former hairdresser. Prince helped her open 2 salons, and she markets herself (today) as being a celebrity stylist who serviced the creme de la creme of Hollywood.

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Reply #389 posted 04/25/19 6:06am

rogifan

MoodyBlumes said:



pinkcashmere23 said:




rogifan said:


PennyPurple said: This photo was taken in Italy. Prince performed there in Nov 2010. 2zdq2s4.jpg Members of NPG or 3EG would be able to confirm if Kim was around past 2010. But I doubt anyone will ask them. On her Instagram are photos from the BET tribute including one of her and Sheila, as well as at Celebration (one photo of her, Liv, Shelby, Donna and Ida).

Kim is listed in the Welcome 2 Australia and Welcome 2 Chicago tour books so she was around then. She's got photos that were taken backstage as well.



I heard it was more like 2012 that she stopped working for him. Posthumous tributes don't count because I think some assumed she was on good terms with Prince and so reached out to her (so did we fans who bought this book). Regardless, I'm not counting 29 years...


29 years is obviously BS. Still I don’t think anyone knows for sure when she stopped working for him. Maybe she still worked for him off and on. Also when he decided on the ‘fro there probably wasn’t much need for a regular hairdresser.
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