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Reply #300 posted 04/23/19 12:16pm

laytonian

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Very amateurishly put together and some basic dates and facts wrong. And very classless to speak of his mother and to go into detail on the death his son. Not her place.

It's like she wrote a disjointed, longer book and the co-author attempted to make sense of it -- partly by splitting it into three.

There was one lovely story in that book, about how he called his doves "my angels" after she complained about the noise they made.
Certainly, she had more moments like that....moments that would fulfill the promise she earlier talked about.

We do not need gossip about his wives and lovers. Let them talk if they want.

Please, someone. Sort out the mess of volumes 2 and 3 and make some sense of it all -- and put in a timeline for volume 1.

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Reply #301 posted 04/23/19 12:19pm

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However, why everyone who stood in a room with him needs to write a book is beyond me.

Next up: "Green n Purple Grass: Life In The Yard Of Prince"- by Neal, the gardener.

Griff started out that way and was moved inside to do "all kinds of stuff".

BUT remember what happened to him when he attempted to tell his stories.
He got shut down and sued. Why HIM?

(Glad I got his book; it's one of the better ones, actually.)

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Reply #302 posted 04/23/19 1:16pm

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What business is it of Kim Berry, Prince’s hairdresser, to talk about the woman he was with? What does that have to do with her and her relationship with him. After all the time she supposedly spent with Prince she thinks what people want to hear is gossip about the women he was with? That’s the side of Prince she thinks is most interesting and worthy of a book? I’m sorry but that says more about her than him. This thread should probably be merged with the other one.

Sure, but it just goes with the territory doesn't it? It's a trashy, gossipy, tell-all book written for a broad audience seeking insight, anecdotes and details on a famous person. Details of his personal life are usually fair game in a book like that, even moreso if they are noteworthy, salacious, or likely to sell copies of the book. Were you expecting more hair styling tips?

In fairness to Kim, she was there for 29 years. She's a woman, she has her own views on how Prince treated woman, and she's absolutely entitled to share those views. So, fair enough I guess. The views are of some interest because it is rare to get anything other than the usual highly filtered narrative about his support of women. We all love Prince, so it can be hard to hear stories that present him in a negative light, but certainly that level of stardom brings with it problematic behaviour of all kinds. Let's face it, that kind of power is what led to him surrounding himself with staff who'd turn a blind eye to his Fentanyl habit for years.

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Reply #303 posted 04/23/19 1:24pm

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ian said:

rogifan said:

What business is it of Kim Berry, Prince’s hairdresser, to talk about the woman he was with? What does that have to do with her and her relationship with him. After all the time she supposedly spent with Prince she thinks what people want to hear is gossip about the women he was with? That’s the side of Prince she thinks is most interesting and worthy of a book? I’m sorry but that says more about her than him. This thread should probably be merged with the other one.

Sure, but it just goes with the territory doesn't it? It's a trashy, gossipy, tell-all book written for a broad audience seeking insight, anecdotes and details on a famous person. Details of his personal life are usually fair game in a book like that, even moreso if they are noteworthy, salacious, or likely to sell copies of the book. Were you expecting more hair styling tips?

In fairness to Kim, she was there for 29 years.

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NO, she wasn't! Even she contradicts herself in the book by saying that she was hired around Christmas 1988. So if that would be true (it isn't!), that would be 27 years and a couple of months, not 29 years. But of course even that 27 years is a lie, in reality she started working for Prince in 1992. So that means it was 24 years the most (still a very long time, of course), but it's highly unlikely it was continuous employment, there must've been long gaps too.
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I'm just emphasising this because it's very telling that she starts blatantly lying already on the cover, in the title of her book, so that's a clear indication of how credible anything else inside the book could be...

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Reply #304 posted 04/23/19 1:44pm

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ian said:



rogifan said:


What business is it of Kim Berry, Prince’s hairdresser, to talk about the woman he was with? What does that have to do with her and her relationship with him. After all the time she supposedly spent with Prince she thinks what people want to hear is gossip about the women he was with? That’s the side of Prince she thinks is most interesting and worthy of a book? I’m sorry but that says more about her than him. This thread should probably be merged with the other one.



Sure, but it just goes with the territory doesn't it? It's a trashy, gossipy, tell-all book written for a broad audience seeking insight, anecdotes and details on a famous person. Details of his personal life are usually fair game in a book like that, even moreso if they are noteworthy, salacious, or likely to sell copies of the book. Were you expecting more hair styling tips?



In fairness to Kim, she was there for 29 years. She's a woman, she has her own views on how Prince treated woman, and she's absolutely entitled to share those views. So, fair enough I guess. The views are of some interest because it is rare to get anything other than the usual highly filtered narrative about his support of women. We all love Prince, so it can be hard to hear stories that present him in a negative light, but certainly that level of stardom brings with it problematic behaviour of all kinds. Let's face it, that kind of power is what led to him surrounding himself with staff who'd turn a blind eye to his Fentanyl habit for years.


No just because you have an opinion on how Prince treated women and this book confirms your opinion doesn’t make it ok. And I’m not saying that because I don’t want to hear anything negative about the man. I’m saying it because it’s not what she advertised. Had she said this book would be about Prince’s love life and womanizing I would have had zero interest and no intention of buying it. Thankfully I didn’t pre-order or contribute to funding it in any way.
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Reply #305 posted 04/23/19 1:44pm

onlyforaminute

poppys said:



onlyforaminute said:


rdhull said:

However, why everyone who stood in a room with him needs to write a book is beyond me.


Next up: "Green n Purple Grass: Life In The Yard Of Prince"- by Neal, the gardener.




I ain't gonna try to lie. If that gardener survived that man for a couple of decades, maybe, Granted he wouldn't have travelled anywhere with him, still he'd know a thing or two that happened on the grounds that's at least worth a good interview. I think I see why I'm picking up a ticked off vibe from the book.

Folks in her face one minute then dismissed her when there got to be money involved. She's just the hairdresser afterall. Wait. I meant she's just the help.



Good points. Just had to laugh with rdhull for some comic relief.

One of the things that bothers me about this thread (I rarely go to associates, too harsh) - is bashing her for being financially strapped. It's a crime now in the US to be poor, for whatever reason.




I don't know her financial situation, I have no clue what it takes to publish a book. But from what I've read I'm seeing hurt feelings and gauging what seems to be going on in this little pocket i can just imagine the attitude she's bumped up against. Seems like most folks have never held a long term position more than 10 years, you may not get to know the deepest inner parts of the people you work around but you learn quite a bit about them regardless of your job title. This isn't Downton Abbey where job titles are relegated to upstairs, downstairs mentality. People do talk to other people they are comfortable around. Y'all be funny.
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Reply #306 posted 04/23/19 1:47pm

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onlyforaminute said:

rdhull said:

However, why everyone who stood in a room with him needs to write a book is beyond me.

Next up: "Green n Purple Grass: Life In The Yard Of Prince"- by Neal, the gardener.

I ain't gonna try to lie. If that gardener survived that man for a couple of decades, maybe, Granted he wouldn't have travelled anywhere with him, still he'd know a thing or two that happened on the grounds that's at least worth a good interview. I think I see why I'm picking up a ticked off vibe from the book. Folks in her face one minute then dismissed her when there got to be money involved. She's just the hairdresser afterall. Wait. I meant she's just the help.


Exactly the point. Which is why she needs to STFU permanently. (No pun intended.)

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Reply #307 posted 04/23/19 2:08pm

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onlyforaminute said:

poppys said:


Good points. Just had to laugh with rdhull for some comic relief.

One of the things that bothers me about this thread (I rarely go to associates, too harsh) - is bashing her for being financially strapped. It's a crime now in the US to be poor, for whatever reason.

I don't know her financial situation, I have no clue what it takes to publish a book. But from what I've read I'm seeing hurt feelings and gauging what seems to be going on in this little pocket i can just imagine the attitude she's bumped up against. Seems like most folks have never held a long term position more than 10 years, you may not get to know the deepest inner parts of the people you work around but you learn quite a bit about them regardless of your job title. This isn't Downton Abbey where job titles are relegated to upstairs, downstairs mentality. People do talk to other people they are comfortable around. Y'all be funny.

Yes and no on your comments above. True, it wasn't Downton Abbey, but it was "Princetown", where by most accounts it was "walking on egg shells" when around him, and staying to your business when not. There was a constant undertone threat of being fired for saying or doing the wrong thing. It was a "stay in your lane" type of atmosphere from what I've read and heard.

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Nothing wrong with her writing a book about her time at PP, however, I think she would have been found much more credible had she focused on HER role in Prince's world and not others around her. For the women, such as Mayte, who have written a book - even that story is still ONLY her perspective on that relationship and how/why things happened. We don't get Prince's perspective, but at least she wasn't trying to tell someone else's story.

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Reply #308 posted 04/23/19 2:35pm

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Let me just fansplain a bit. I'm not clowning anyones job or skills. Threre is honor in all work (duh!). And I think KB wasn't just holed up in a city salon with Prince coming in every three days etc. KB was part of his entourage. She was there with her peoples when I got to go to that LF thing..not as some 'gosh, I got to come' but she was part of his inner circle vibe. Now that I think upon it, she was probably HIS eyes, watchin us and reporting how we were acting on some "Kim, are they crazy people and will we have a probem or are they cool?" lol. Having said that, it seems..SEEMS...folks come out the woodwork telling their stories and I guess there isnt anything wrong with that. Most have just been articles, not tell-tale books. But if not part of the creative process or the art, determined by what ones role was while in his employ, it seems all that could be disucssed is the gossipy stuff. Which does a disservice to the man and the author's character.

BTW Griff was crazy af with his militant self. Those uniforms really went to his head lol.

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Reply #309 posted 04/23/19 2:42pm

onlyforaminute

violetcrush said:



onlyforaminute said:


poppys said:



Good points. Just had to laugh with rdhull for some comic relief.

One of the things that bothers me about this thread (I rarely go to associates, too harsh) - is bashing her for being financially strapped. It's a crime now in the US to be poor, for whatever reason.



I don't know her financial situation, I have no clue what it takes to publish a book. But from what I've read I'm seeing hurt feelings and gauging what seems to be going on in this little pocket i can just imagine the attitude she's bumped up against. Seems like most folks have never held a long term position more than 10 years, you may not get to know the deepest inner parts of the people you work around but you learn quite a bit about them regardless of your job title. This isn't Downton Abbey where job titles are relegated to upstairs, downstairs mentality. People do talk to other people they are comfortable around. Y'all be funny.


Yes and no on your comments above. True, it wasn't Downton Abbey, but it was "Princetown", where by most accounts it was "walking on egg shells" when around him, and staying to your business when not. There was a constant undertone threat of being fired for saying or doing the wrong thing. It was a "stay in your lane" type of atmosphere from what I've read and heard.


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Nothing wrong with her writing a book about her time at PP, however, I think she would have been found much more credible had she focused on HER role in Prince's world and not others around her. For the women, such as Mayte, who have written a book - even that story is still ONLY her perspective on that relationship and how/why things happened. We don't get Prince's perspective, but at least she wasn't trying to tell someone else's story.




I'm only addressing the she is only the hairdresser comments, insulting hairdressers everywhere. Others are alive and well and can speak up for themselves if she crossed lines or just lied. The only complaint from insiders so far has been over using some pictures. I do agree that the lack of cohesion in the new Princetown makes it confusing. Are they or aren't they talking to each other? They sit on these legacy boards together. Maybe it's a legal thing or maybe it's not, who knows, I don't. I'm stuck in neutral trying to figure out why this is a trilogy, that I think is the least wisest choice.
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Reply #310 posted 04/23/19 2:48pm

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onlyforaminute said:

rdhull said:

However, why everyone who stood in a room with him needs to write a book is beyond me.

Next up: "Green n Purple Grass: Life In The Yard Of Prince"- by Neal, the gardener.

I ain't gonna try to lie. If that gardener survived that man for a couple of decades, maybe, Granted he wouldn't have travelled anywhere with him, still he'd know a thing or two that happened on the grounds that's at least worth a good interview.

Yes. An interview, not a book lol.

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Reply #311 posted 04/23/19 3:34pm

onlyforaminute

rdhull said:



onlyforaminute said:


rdhull said:

However, why everyone who stood in a room with him needs to write a book is beyond me.


Next up: "Green n Purple Grass: Life In The Yard Of Prince"- by Neal, the gardener.



I ain't gonna try to lie. If that gardener survived that man for a couple of decades, maybe, Granted he wouldn't have travelled anywhere with him, still he'd know a thing or two that happened on the grounds that's at least worth a good interview.

Yes. An interview, not a book lol.



Well I think we're safe on that note.
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Reply #312 posted 04/23/19 5:05pm

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Does Kim even currently have a license? This website says it’s on probation?

https://search.dca.ca.gov...f3ff496e5f
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Reply #313 posted 04/23/19 6:08pm

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Former Paisley Park engineer Shane Keller (PRN Alumni Foundation) isn’t having it...lol
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Reply #314 posted 04/23/19 7:03pm

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rogifan said:

Does Kim even currently have a license? This website says it’s on probation? https://search.dca.ca.gov...f3ff496e5f

That's interesting. Come to think of it,I think it's been a few months since she's posted pics of clients or video at her salon. She was Katt William's stylist for a movie back in 2017 but it seems lately she's just been giving talks and interviews promoting the book. It looks like some of the actions filed against her was whe she was supposedly working for Prince.

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Reply #315 posted 04/23/19 8:55pm

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yeah...what a terrible thing that a black woman who actually interacted physically with Prince on a regular basis, would write a book about Prince... of course any book about Prince should be written by middle aged white members of the media and like Duane Tudahl and Alex Hahn...smh...
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Reply #316 posted 04/23/19 9:30pm

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RJOrion said:

yeah...what a terrible thing that a black woman who actually interacted physically with Prince on a regular basis, would write a book about Prince... of course any book about Prince should be written by middle aged white members of the media and like Duane Tudahl and Alex Hahn...smh...

I think people are still disgusted because she tried to auction something that was more privacy invasion such as Prince's hair and that comb. I agree that there are some racist orgers but this issue I feel shouldn't be that battle due to an opportunist.

Because Kim Berry was viewed favorably on here prior to that. I even remembered she did an online radio interview shortly after P's death and many people liked her and the interview. Had she never did that auction and constantly lied about how many years she worked with Prince, I believed people would embrace the book better. Because associates of color like Sheila E, Dez wrote a book about Prince and plus Morris Day is going to write a book, Vanity, and people on here had favorable views about the books.

Please don't use the race card on black people who fucks up and have no shame of doing it. Plus she contradicted herself quite a bit.

BTW I am a black queer chick so I won't be accused of being white just because I don't give 'my people' a pass because they are black.

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Reply #317 posted 04/23/19 10:08pm

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Trying to auction his used socks is what started her downfall. It's been a steady drop since then up to her book, but for some of us the lying and deception is the icing on the cake.

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Reply #318 posted 04/24/19 2:12am

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I'm pretty sure Berry will soon face a lawsuit or two. She's a liar and as many of you have already mentioned, she has absolutely no right to talk about such private matters as Mayte's pregnancies, for example. And what's even more disgusting is that she's made up stories of being in the hospital with Mayte and Prince several times (I don't think she was there) and she made up conversations that supposedly happened between her and Prince when Amiir was already dying, and she claims he said "Quit making me laugh when I'm trying to be serious!". This is absolutely disgusting to make up such things, it makes my stomach turn.
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Shane T Keller (former PP engineer) has just tweeted that during his time at Paisley (1991-96) he never saw or heard of Kim Berry. (Thanks jdcxc for the link!) Many other former Prince employees have also distanced themselves from her already.

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Reply #319 posted 04/24/19 4:58am

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RJOrion said:

yeah...what a terrible thing that a black woman who actually interacted physically with Prince on a regular basis, would write a book about Prince... of course any book about Prince should be written by middle aged white members of the media and like Duane Tudahl and Alex Hahn...smh...

You're kidding, right?? Now this is a "black vs white" thing?? Duane's book was completely based on actual studio records of Prince's recordings, as well as, interviews with those who were working with him during that time. It's an impressive piece of work that he wrote HIMSELF, and it took him many years to complete.

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Based upon the reviews on this thread so far - it seems Kim Berry's book is much less about HER actual interactions with Prince and more of a gossip driven tale about his relationships with others.

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Reply #320 posted 04/24/19 5:50am

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Why does it irk me that some are using him as a way to profit, now that he's dead?

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Most of them worked for him and now he's gone they compensate.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #321 posted 04/24/19 6:54am

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Kares said:

And what's even more disgusting is that she's made up stories of being in the hospital with Mayte and Prince several times (I don't think she was there) and she made up conversations that supposedly happened between her and Prince when Amiir was already dying, and she claims he said "Quit making me laugh when I'm trying to be serious!". This is absolutely disgusting to make up such things, it makes my stomach turn.



You’ve made quite a few contradictory claims above. Your argument against is as gossipy as you claim the book to be, minus any possibility of being a firsthand account.

Something can’t be disgusting because it’s ‘made up’ when you admit you don’t know if it actually is before the sentence even ends.

I’m also not sure what’s to be gained by picking apart how long she claims she worked for him, when the argument is on far from solid ground and even then comes with the disclaimer ‘oh, but I admit it was longer than anyone else ever by years and years and years’.

And his engineer didn’t know his hairdresser? C’mon, no need to even mention this as some kinda further nail in the coffin. Makes any better arguments look desperate by association.

I don’t have a dog in this fight. But if the book really is a disgrace and ‘has it coming’, arguments like those above will just confirm to neutrals that it’s a hysterical outburst with no basis in fact.

Fans of one of Prince’s peers, now deceased, are frankly embarrassing themselves wholesale across the web with arguments you wouldn’t even hear from the Flat Earth subgroup of the Mormons.

Let’s not sink to their levels.
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Reply #322 posted 04/24/19 7:04am

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^^ Lol, lots of hair spray huffers in here. Hell, just lick the residue off the counter, it counts. And the combs been sitting in the rubbing alcohol too long.

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Reply #323 posted 04/24/19 8:38am

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Kares said:

I'm pretty sure Berry will soon face a lawsuit or two. She's a liar and as many of you have already mentioned, she has absolutely no right to talk about such private matters as Mayte's pregnancies, for example. And what's even more disgusting is that she's made up stories of being in the hospital with Mayte and Prince several times (I don't think she was there) and she made up conversations that supposedly happened between her and Prince when Amiir was already dying, and she claims he said "Quit making me laugh when I'm trying to be serious!". This is absolutely disgusting to make up such things, it makes my stomach turn.
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Shane T Keller (former PP engineer) has just tweeted that during his time at Paisley (1991-96) he never saw or heard of Kim Berry. (Thanks jdcxc for the link!) Many other former Prince employees have also distanced themselves from her already.

Well even though I do doubt Kim's story at times, Prince was know to compartmentized just like I stated in another thread Larry Graham said before he knew little about Prince and they knew each other for nearly 20 years, and Prince known to hide things and people from people he known to move silence and some of the associates included Kim admitted to that so just because the engineer didn't see Kim that doesn't mean she wasn't around during that time. And also Kim lives in LA mainly and so maybe Prince went to visit her out of town or maybe Kim met with Prince in places where Shane was unaware of. Prince also know to put girlfriends in different apartments and housing and some of the girlfriends didn't know about each other until years later.

But I am going to read the book though with open minded.

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Reply #324 posted 04/24/19 8:47am

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Kares said:

I'm pretty sure Berry will soon face a lawsuit or two. She's a liar and as many of you have already mentioned, she has absolutely no right to talk about such private matters as Mayte's pregnancies, for example. And what's even more disgusting is that she's made up stories of being in the hospital with Mayte and Prince several times (I don't think she was there) and she made up conversations that supposedly happened between her and Prince when Amiir was already dying, and she claims he said "Quit making me laugh when I'm trying to be serious!". This is absolutely disgusting to make up such things, it makes my stomach turn.
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Shane T Keller (former PP engineer) has just tweeted that during his time at Paisley (1991-96) he never saw or heard of Kim Berry. (Thanks jdcxc for the link!) Many other former Prince employees have also distanced themselves from her already.

I am going to read the book though with open minded.

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That's your choice. I can't be as open minded to trust someone who starts her string of lies already on the front cover of her book (a lie she's stupid enough to contradict inside the book with yet another lie).

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Reply #325 posted 04/24/19 8:54am

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Its confusing to have two threads going about this book.



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Reply #326 posted 04/24/19 9:19am

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Its confusing to have two threads going about this book.



eek



Yes maybe it can be merged?


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Reply #327 posted 04/24/19 9:23am

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ian said:

Just finished reading the book. It's pretty thin really, just a handful of dubious anecdotes wrapped up in a whole bunch of gossipy / happy-clappy nothing. I was surprised at how little it mentions Prince's changing image and hairstyles over the years - the one topic Kim is definitely THE authority on doesn't get much of a mention beyond those infamous Rave era braids.

Was surprised that it discussed such private stuff surrounding Prince and Mayte's son. Since Mayte has already given her story about that, that should be the end of it really. The whole thing felt a bit trashy really - talking about events that she wasn't present for witout realling making that clear, or bigging up her role in the Prince camp in ways that don't seem credible. Was somewhat interesting to hear a bit about his spiritual doubts (discussing lack of evidence etc) and the point at which he distanced himself from the JWs etc.

However one thing Kim deserves props for is, she's one of the very few people willing to state flatly that Prince was disrespectful towards women. Of course he was, but everyone is always so careful to dance around that fact. Yes, he worked with lots of awesome talented women and elevated them etc, but he was always a notorious shagger who unapologetically treated women like playthings, the guy had no concept of monogamy or trustful human relationships. Having said all that, like the MJ documentary it kinda makes you think of all the staff members over the years who turned a blind eye and enabled this troubling aspect of his character.

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Absolutely agrre on that.

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I can understand why most people here don't like this book.

Obviously it doesn't add anything to the genius of Prince's music.

But I for one would looooove to read it.

Why ?

It's the way life is, for us and as well for rock stars.

They don't differ from us. And the relationships they have are exactly the same.

If we got the same information by more important people of the camp like bandmembers, we take it more seriously. It would probably being put in a way that it sounded more suitable, acceptable. In others words less trashy.

But hey, in the Prince camp, people were just people. They fucked around, tried to use eachother to get their secret agendas done, etc... Paisley Park obviously was a working business (not well always oiled) like any other.

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The Revolution on the other hand was a different band altogether for the fact that no one in the band could've been sexual in Prince's way. And so far we didn't hear stories of Prince fancying the respectable wifes or girlfriends of the male Revolutionaires.

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And about the ex staff members; if anything was said by them, they were fired.

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Reply #328 posted 04/24/19 9:24am

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Just started reading it last night and enjoying it, thus far. Love how she got to meet Prince through her then-boyfriend who had become Prince’s bodyguard and how she got the job as his hairstylist.
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Reply #329 posted 04/24/19 9:29am

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RJOrion said:

yeah...what a terrible thing that a black woman who actually interacted physically with Prince on a regular basis, would write a book about Prince... of course any book about Prince should be written by middle aged white members of the media and like Duane Tudahl and Alex Hahn...smh...

WTF does her skin colour have to do with this? NOTHING! So, put your race card away for today.

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