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Reply #90 posted 01/29/19 8:54am

violetcrush

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I heard that Steve secretly kept one of them pictures all this time & Prince had no idea he had it.

The "I heard" in that comment being the operative phrase, and a key example of speculation.....

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Reply #91 posted 01/29/19 8:59am

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violetcrush said:



ChocolateBox3121 said:


I heard that Steve secretly kept one of them pictures all this time & Prince had no idea he had it.


The "I heard" in that comment being the operative phrase, and a key example of speculation.....


It’s NOT speculation it was told in an interview & please STOP addressing me. I am SO SICk OF U!
So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #92 posted 01/29/19 9:00am

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

I heard that Steve secretly kept one of them pictures all this time & Prince had no idea he had it.

Prince knew he had tones of pictures, just like all the other photographers, and they are their artistic property

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Reply #93 posted 01/29/19 9:07am

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violetcrush said:

The "I heard" in that comment being the operative phrase, and a key example of speculation.....

It’s NOT speculation it was told in an interview & please STOP addressing me. I am SO SICk OF U!

Really?? Which interview?? If you provide your source, than at least the level of speculation drops a bit.

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And you know what? I do believe there are many on this site that are really tired of YOU placing yourself at every event, every party, every show, at every point and time of his career. It's almost as bad as nails on a chalkboard...

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Reply #94 posted 01/29/19 9:07am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I heard that Steve secretly kept one of them pictures all this time & Prince had no idea he had it.

Prince knew he had tones of pictures, just like all the other photographers, and they are their artistic property

yeahthat

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Reply #95 posted 01/29/19 9:10am

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

violetcrush said:

The "I heard" in that comment being the operative phrase, and a key example of speculation.....

It’s NOT speculation it was told in an interview & please STOP addressing me. I am SO SICk OF U!

Can you post the interview?

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Reply #96 posted 01/29/19 9:34am

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violetcrush said:




rogifan said:


violetcrush said: Right his issue is that she was only given permission to use the photo for her book. Not to sell or print out and give away at events. I don’t know a lot about photography... a professional photographer doing a photo shoot...who owns the photo, the photographer or the person he/she photographed? Can the photographer do as they wish with the photos or do they need to get approval from the subject of the photos?



I don't know for sure, but my guess is that, because he was hired by Prince to take those photgraphs, they would be considered his professional work and art. I don't believe Kim, as one of the subjects in his photo, would have any rights to use it for monetary gain without his permission.



I'm no lawyer, but I think ownership of the photos all comes down to the terms of the agreement with Prince. That's why some of his photographers are publishing books and others are not. I still don't see how Kim's reproduction of one photo from his book hurts him in any way. If I were advising Kim, I would suggest that she reach out to Steve Parke and work out an agreement, even if she has to compensate him for her use of the photo.


Reading that FB from Steve it sounds like the issue was that she didn’t ask. Had she asked he probably would have said OK so long as she wasn’t charging for it.
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Reply #97 posted 01/29/19 9:37am

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minnesoundlvr said:

I'm no lawyer, but I think ownership of the photos all comes down to the terms of the agreement with Prince. That's why some of his photographers are publishing books and others are not. I still don't see how Kim's reproduction of one photo from his book hurts him in any way. If I were advising Kim, I would suggest that she reach out to Steve Parke and work out an agreement, even if she has to compensate him for her use of the photo.

Reading that FB from Steve it sounds like the issue was that she didn’t ask. Had she asked he probably would have said OK so long as she wasn’t charging for it.

She was charging for it though, she even said that once he asked her to stop using that picture to sell for money, she had stopped, which was only in the last few days.

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Reply #98 posted 01/29/19 10:01am

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minnesoundlvr said:

violetcrush said:

I don't know for sure, but my guess is that, because he was hired by Prince to take those photgraphs, they would be considered his professional work and art. I don't believe Kim, as one of the subjects in his photo, would have any rights to use it for monetary gain without his permission.

I'm no lawyer, but I think ownership of the photos all comes down to the terms of the agreement with Prince. That's why some of his photographers are publishing books and others are not. I still don't see how Kim's reproduction of one photo from his book hurts him in any way. If I were advising Kim, I would suggest that she reach out to Steve Parke and work out an agreement, even if she has to compensate him for her use of the photo.



Steve stated in interviews that there was no contract between them so Steve owns the photos rather than the Estate. He also said all the photos were digital and P saw them all, and P would make Steve delete the photos he didnt like.

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Reply #99 posted 01/29/19 10:14am

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http://www.startribune.com/prince-s-personal-photographer-releases-new-book-of-rare-images/444683983/


A link to the interview with Steve where he said P approved/deleted all photos that were taken.

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Reply #100 posted 01/29/19 10:19am

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PennyPurple said:

rogifan said:

minnesoundlvr said: Reading that FB from Steve it sounds like the issue was that she didn’t ask. Had she asked he probably would have said OK so long as she wasn’t charging for it.

She was charging for it though, she even said that once he asked her to stop using that picture to sell for money, she had stopped, which was only in the last few days.

Steve is charging for his book, no? I just think that it wouldn't kill him to let Kim make a little money off that one picture of her and Prince. He has an entire catalog of Prince photos and will probably publish other books, so why not let one of his long-time colleagues, who is pictured in his book, have a few of his crumbs?

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Reply #101 posted 01/29/19 10:19am

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http://www.startribune.com/prince-s-personal-photographer-releases-new-book-of-rare-images/444683983/


A link to the interview with Steve where he said P approved/deleted all photos that were taken.


Thanks for posting. I remember reading that as well. I have his book. Beautiful pictures, and great stories about his time with Prince.
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Reply #102 posted 01/29/19 11:39am

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PennyPurple said:

She was charging for it though, she even said that once he asked her to stop using that picture to sell for money, she had stopped, which was only in the last few days.

Steve is charging for his book, no? I just think that it wouldn't kill him to let Kim make a little money off that one picture of her and Prince. He has an entire catalog of Prince photos and will probably publish other books, so why not let one of his long-time colleagues, who is pictured in his book, have a few of his crumbs?

Why should he? He owns it. Kim doesn't give anything away for free, why should he? He shouldn't be expected to.

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Reply #103 posted 01/29/19 11:42am

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minnesoundlvr said:

PennyPurple said:

She was charging for it though, she even said that once he asked her to stop using that picture to sell for money, she had stopped, which was only in the last few days.

Steve is charging for his book, no? I just think that it wouldn't kill him to let Kim make a little money off that one picture of her and Prince. He has an entire catalog of Prince photos and will probably publish other books, so why not let one of his long-time colleagues, who is pictured in his book, have a few of his crumbs?

He did say if she had talked to him he would have worked with her. But to do it underhanded like that...

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Reply #104 posted 01/29/19 11:44am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

minnesoundlvr said:

Steve is charging for his book, no? I just think that it wouldn't kill him to let Kim make a little money off that one picture of her and Prince. He has an entire catalog of Prince photos and will probably publish other books, so why not let one of his long-time colleagues, who is pictured in his book, have a few of his crumbs?

He did say if she had talked to him he would have worked with her. But to do it underhanded like that...

I thought I read somewhere she was charging $25 for that pic and her autograph.

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Reply #105 posted 01/29/19 12:05pm

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PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

He did say if she had talked to him he would have worked with her. But to do it underhanded like that...

I thought I read somewhere she was charging $25 for that pic and her autograph.

I didn't see any $$'s yet

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Reply #106 posted 01/29/19 12:22pm

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minnesoundlvr said:



PennyPurple said:




rogifan said:


minnesoundlvr said: Reading that FB from Steve it sounds like the issue was that she didn’t ask. Had she asked he probably would have said OK so long as she wasn’t charging for it.

She was charging for it though, she even said that once he asked her to stop using that picture to sell for money, she had stopped, which was only in the last few days.



Steve is charging for his book, no? I just think that it wouldn't kill him to let Kim make a little money off that one picture of her and Prince. He has an entire catalog of Prince photos and will probably publish other books, so why not let one of his long-time colleagues, who is pictured in his book, have a few of his crumbs?

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Why? Is Kim hard up for money and in need of charity
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Reply #107 posted 01/29/19 12:38pm

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minnesoundlvr said:

PennyPurple said:

She was charging for it though, she even said that once he asked her to stop using that picture to sell for money, she had stopped, which was only in the last few days.

Steve is charging for his book, no? I just think that it wouldn't kill him to let Kim make a little money off that one picture of her and Prince. He has an entire catalog of Prince photos and will probably publish other books, so why not let one of his long-time colleagues, who is pictured in his book, have a few of his crumbs?

I would think quite a bit of time and effort went into putting that book together. To me, it's the principle of the thing - she should have discussed it with him first instead of trying to make money on the sly.

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Reply #108 posted 01/29/19 12:42pm

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PennyPurple said:



OldFriends4Sale said:




minnesoundlvr said:



Steve is charging for his book, no? I just think that it wouldn't kill him to let Kim make a little money off that one picture of her and Prince. He has an entire catalog of Prince photos and will probably publish other books, so why not let one of his long-time colleagues, who is pictured in his book, have a few of his crumbs?




He did say if she had talked to him he would have worked with her. But to do it underhanded like that...



I thought I read somewhere she was charging $25 for that pic and her autograph.


And she wanted $5000 to take her to lunch, plus all her expenses paid to get to that lunch. She’s in it for the money but doesn’t understand how anyone else wants compensation? She’s phony and her apologies are insulting.
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Reply #109 posted 01/29/19 12:50pm

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muchtoofast said:

PennyPurple said:



OldFriends4Sale said:




minnesoundlvr said:



Steve is charging for his book, no? I just think that it wouldn't kill him to let Kim make a little money off that one picture of her and Prince. He has an entire catalog of Prince photos and will probably publish other books, so why not let one of his long-time colleagues, who is pictured in his book, have a few of his crumbs?




He did say if she had talked to him he would have worked with her. But to do it underhanded like that...



I thought I read somewhere she was charging $25 for that pic and her autograph.


And she wanted $5000 to take her to lunch, plus all her expenses paid to get to that lunch. She’s in it for the money but doesn’t understand how anyone else wants compensation? She’s phony and her apologies are insulting.

She wanted $5,000 to have lunch with her?
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Reply #110 posted 01/29/19 12:52pm

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muchtoofast said:
And she wanted $5000 to take her to lunch, plus all her expenses paid to get to that lunch. She’s in it for the money but doesn’t understand how anyone else wants compensation? She’s phony and her apologies are insulting.
She wanted $5,000 to have lunch with her?

Yes

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Reply #111 posted 01/29/19 12:58pm

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rogifan said:

minnesoundlvr said:

Steve is charging for his book, no? I just think that it wouldn't kill him to let Kim make a little money off that one picture of her and Prince. He has an entire catalog of Prince photos and will probably publish other books, so why not let one of his long-time colleagues, who is pictured in his book, have a few of his crumbs?

? Why? Is Kim hard up for money and in need of charity

Apparently, she is.

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Reply #112 posted 01/29/19 1:13pm

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minnesoundlvr said:



rogifan said:


minnesoundlvr said:


Steve is charging for his book, no? I just think that it wouldn't kill him to let Kim make a little money off that one picture of her and Prince. He has an entire catalog of Prince photos and will probably publish other books, so why not let one of his long-time colleagues, who is pictured in his book, have a few of his crumbs?



? Why? Is Kim hard up for money and in need of charity

Apparently, she is.


But she has a skill, she can cut hair, she doesn’t need someone’s crumbs to earn a living.
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Reply #113 posted 01/29/19 1:44pm

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Wonder if she cuts any other stars hair? eek She probably has it saved too!


Yes, that is true about the lunch. You also have to pay her expenses while she is there, airfare, hotel, etc. lol

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Reply #114 posted 01/29/19 2:57pm

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minnesoundlvr said:



rogifan said:


minnesoundlvr said:


Steve is charging for his book, no? I just think that it wouldn't kill him to let Kim make a little money off that one picture of her and Prince. He has an entire catalog of Prince photos and will probably publish other books, so why not let one of his long-time colleagues, who is pictured in his book, have a few of his crumbs?



? Why? Is Kim hard up for money and in need of charity

Apparently, she is.


Wait, so being serious now, has she fallen on hard times? I feel bad for anyone in that situation. But if they’re upfront about it I think people would understand.
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Reply #115 posted 01/29/19 2:58pm

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Wonder if she cuts any other stars hair? eek She probably has it saved too!




Yes, that is true about the lunch. You also have to pay her expenses while she is there, airfare, hotel, etc. lol


Who was she marketing that to? Purple fam?

I am kind of amazed at how many comments on Kim’s FB page are going after Steve Parke for his FB post. I thought his post was quite respectful. And how is his post (which he now removed) wrong but her selling Prince’s hair and socks is not? eek
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[Edited 1/29/19 15:56pm]
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Reply #116 posted 01/29/19 3:37pm

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rogifan said:

PennyPurple said:

Wonder if she cuts any other stars hair? eek She probably has it saved too!




Yes, that is true about the lunch. You also have to pay her expenses while she is there, airfare, hotel, etc. lol


Who was she marketing that to? Purple fam?

I am kind of amazed at how many comments on Kim’s FB page are going after Steve Parke for his FB post. I thought his post was quite respectful. And how is his post (which he now removed) wring but her selling Prince’s hair and socks is not? eek
[Edited 1/29/19 15:14pm]

Her pity ploy worked. We are sheep.
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Reply #117 posted 01/29/19 3:39pm

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rogifan said:

minnesoundlvr said:



rogifan said:


minnesoundlvr said:


Steve is charging for his book, no? I just think that it wouldn't kill him to let Kim make a little money off that one picture of her and Prince. He has an entire catalog of Prince photos and will probably publish other books, so why not let one of his long-time colleagues, who is pictured in his book, have a few of his crumbs?



? Why? Is Kim hard up for money and in need of charity

Apparently, she is.


Wait, so being serious now, has she fallen on hard times? I feel bad for anyone in that situation. But if they’re upfront about it I think people would understand.

She’s going to make a lot of money off that auction.
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Reply #118 posted 01/29/19 4:12pm

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rogifan said:

PennyPurple said:

Wonder if she cuts any other stars hair? eek She probably has it saved too!


Yes, that is true about the lunch. You also have to pay her expenses while she is there, airfare, hotel, etc. lol

Who was she marketing that to? Purple fam? I am kind of amazed at how many comments on Kim’s FB page are going after Steve Parke for his FB post. I thought his post was quite respectful. And how is his post (which he now removed) wring but her selling Prince’s hair and socks is not? eek [Edited 1/29/19 15:14pm]

I don't doubt that there was a misunderstanding. Steve has a right to profit and have credit for his photos. What I am disappointed with is that he chose Social Media as a means to 'out her' rather than reach out to her personally.

Kim is not wealthy. Most of those that worked for Prince are not wealthy. Prince died so suddenly that many completely lost their means of living and P never established benefits for his people. You often hear people near P say that he would give them personal items and tell them it was their 401K. Giving his hair to his hair dresser is not hard to imagine. Prince didn't care about this world after he left. He was always living for the next life and left a legacy for those here on earth. I seriously don't think hair, combs or socks are something he cared about here on earth or in the after life.

As far as Kim's manager, assistant, etc, These are not professionals. They are not getting paid. They are all volunteers. She is doing this the hard way and working hard to get her story out. I'm not an insider but I did hear remorse in her FB comments. Lets not be so hard on her or any of the Purple Family. She made a mistake and will probably make many more. She probably is navigating this whole experience by trial and error.

Steve, I'm sorry you feel betrayed by Kim. Go to her. Obviously, her manager (by self-proclaimation) is the person who failed you. Sit down and hammer this out directly with Kim. Don't bring it to the fams. It looks like you are purposefully trying to hurt her even though I know that is not your intent. (otherwise you would not have pulled down your original post. You don't want harm to come to anyone as a result of your words.)

Kim, thank you for letting the Fams know you have reached out and are trying to make amends with Steve and to do better. I want to hear your story and I want to see Steve's photos. I intend on purchasing your book just as I have purchased Steve's. Ask Steve what he needs or wants to make this right and work together as a family. Yes! That's what we all are, Family.

As far as P's stinky socks, who care?? If she wants to sell them, they are probably the most affordable personal item a fam can purchase. If you look at the auction, Michael Jackson's socks and shoes are being auctioned off too. If you are disgusted by the item, don't bid on it.....and don't bash Kim for selling it, or another for purchasing it.

As Prince once said in one of his live performance of The Ladder; 'Don't you want to be the generation that gets it right? Don't you want to show the world that this can work? I know I do. Let music bring us together. If you know the words, Sing. If you don't, Step back and listen to perfect harmony."

Be kind, Be loving, Be forgiving, and lets work together. Peace and Be Wild.

[Edited 1/29/19 16:35pm]

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Reply #119 posted 01/29/19 4:31pm

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kiki5490 said:

rogifan said:

PennyPurple said: Who was she marketing that to? Purple fam? I am kind of amazed at how many comments on Kim’s FB page are going after Steve Parke for his FB post. I thought his post was quite respectful. And how is his post (which he now removed) wring but her selling Prince’s hair and socks is not? eek [Edited 1/29/19 15:14pm]

I don't doubt that there was a misunderstanding. Steve has a right to profit and have credit for his photos. What I am disappointed with is that he chose Social Media as a means to 'out her' rather than reach out to her personally.

Kim is not wealthy. Most of those that worked for Prince are not wealthy. Prince died so suddenly that many completely lost their means of living and P never established benefits for his people. You often hear people near P say that he would give them personal items and tell them it was their 401K. Giving his hair to his hair dresser is not hard to imagine. Prince didn't care about this world after he left. He was always living for the next life and left a legacy for those here on earth. I seriously don't think hair, combs or socks are something he cared about here on earth or in the after life.

As far as Kim's manager, assistant, etc, These are not professionals. They are not getting paid. They are all volunteers. She is doing this the hard way and working hard to get her story out. I'm not an insider but I did hear remorse in her FB comments. Lets not be so hard on her or any of the Purple Family. She made a mistake and will probably make many more. She probably is navigating this whole experience by trial and error.

Steve, I'm sorry you feel betrayed by Kim. Go to her. Obviously, her manager (by self-proclaimation) is the person who failed you. Sit down and hammer this out directly with Kim. Don't bring it to the fams. It looks like you are purposefully trying to hurt her even though I know that is not your intent. (otherwise you would not have pulled down your original post. You don't want harm to come to anyone as a result of your words.)

Kim, thank you for letting the Fams know you have reached out and are trying to make amends with Steve and to do better. I want to hear your story and I want to see Steve's photos. I intend on purchasing your book just as I have purchased Steve's. Ask Steve what he needs or wants to make this right and work together as a family. Yes! That's what we all are, Family.

As far as P's stinky socks, who care?? If she wants to sell them, they are probably the most affordable personal item a fam can purchase. If you look at the auction, Michael Jackson's socks and shoes are being auctioned off too. If you are disgusted by the item, don't bid on it.....and don't bash Kim for selling it, or another for purchasing it.

As Prince once said in one of his live performance of The Ladder; 'Don't you want to be the generation that gets it right? Don't you want to show the world that this can work? I know I do. Let music bring us together. If you don't know the words, step back and listen. If you do, sing along and listen to perfect harmony."

Be kind, Be loving, Be forgiving, and lets work together. Peace and Be Wild.

Very well said!! nod clapping

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