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Reply #240 posted 02/14/19 11:54am

TheTruth123

OldFriends4Sale said:



violetcrush said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



Well he was seeing Nona too at the same time as Mayte and Nona was shocked.



And it wasn't like Prince had the option of marrying Denise, she cut Prince off around 1990 and she got married before Prince did in 1995.



True, however it seems Susannah also cut him off at the '90-91 mark as well. Vanity was on the Regis And Kathy Lee show in 1990 showing off the sculpture she had made for Prince, explaining that she had first given it to him a couple of years prior but he wasn't that into it, so she took it back to work on it more. Then when she saw him the next time he liked it and wanted to keep it. She joked about him wanting to sign an agreement on it. So, she was clearly wanting to make it publicly known that she was still on touch with him. * Who knows really. I'm actually thinking he was trying to hold on to many relationships with women through the years. I think he wanted them for different reasons or wanted them to be there for him on his terms. * So, if you use that idea then you have to look at the songs instead of the time frames.


Well of course he wanted the 'love' to continue, even though it had to change.



Denise got married, and I believe she was devout in her faith. Even an emotional relationship is still cheating. I believe the love evolved into friendship between Prince & Denise and Prince & Susannah. Which is the emotionally spiritually and mentally healthy best way.





I believe Prince suffered with loneliness since he was a child.
So he thought he had to make sure someone was there.
I’m sure many of us can relate.
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Reply #241 posted 02/14/19 12:02pm

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VNP said:

PennyPurple said:

WRONG. Again he made Susannah sign an IOU, it's documented in the court records, and as of his death she still had not paid it back. Whether or not she has NOW I do not know. I imagine the Estate is not going to write it off and either collected or is collecting from her.


I don't care what Susannah said in her interview. People lie all the time. What I do believe are the FACTS in the Estate records.


Like I said in my above quote. Either way, she got what she wanted. Correct?

See that's the difference Susannah signs that IOU! With Vanity she didn't have to worry about an IOU😊😊

True. lol

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Reply #242 posted 02/14/19 12:06pm

TheTruth123

VNP said:

PennyPurple said:



violetcrush said:


PennyPurple said:


No, Susannah reached out to him. He gave her money and made her sign an IOU. It is documented. Either way, she got what she wanted.



WRONG!!! Susannah SPECIFICALLY stated in her interview that Prince had heard about her situation - again, it was made very public and was also a thread topic here during that time. BOBBY Z called Susannah to tell he he was trying to reach her. * Same with Vanity. She had a GoFundMe page set up in 2012 in conjunction with re-releasing her book. I would bet it was the same with her. Prince read or heard about her financial issues and sent her the money - or more likely - had his Manager send the money. [Edited 2/14/19 10:57am]

WRONG. Again he made Susannah sign an IOU, it's documented in the court records, and as of his death she still had not paid it back. Whether or not she has NOW I do not know. I imagine the Estate is not going to write it off and either collected or is collecting from her.



I don't care what Susannah said in her interview. People lie all the time. What I do believe are the FACTS in the Estate records.



Like I said in my above quote. Either way, she got what she wanted. Correct?




See that's the difference Susannah signs that IOU! With Vanity she didn't have to worry about an IOU😊😊


True, Vanity was someone he cared about but sometimes it’s best for everyone not to get too close to old flames. Prince was very wise. He didn’t want to hurt anyone.
Difference between vanity and Susannah is Susannah outright asked him, vanity publicized her financial needs (where prince would see it). He was still good enough to offer his help.
Poor prince, I think every woman around him who he ever loved also loved money. I’m sure this hurt him more times than we know. It’s sucks feeling people want you partially for your money, power, or whatever.
I believe only two really understood how great he was and were deeply in love with him for sincere reasons: Vanity and Mayte.
Vanity left him because she felt God wanted her to and it had NOTHING to do with PR film money, and he left Mayte.
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Reply #243 posted 02/14/19 12:21pm

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PennyPurple said:

VNP said:

PennyPurple said: See that's the difference Susannah signs that IOU! With Vanity she didn't have to worry about an IOU😊😊

True. lol

rolleyes lord jesus help us

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
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Reply #244 posted 02/14/19 1:05pm

purplefam99

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:



violetcrush said:




violetcrush said:




I'll just leave a couple of song lyrics here:


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From Shockadelica: "get up bitch! You be layin' on my guitar, NASTY BITCH!!"


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From Guitar: "I love you baby, but not like a love my guitar..."


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lol cool razz wildsign music prince




BUT.....then you have lyrics like this:


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Empty Room: "Found a strand of your hair by the bathroom window, how am I ever gonna get you off my mind....lonely hearts, worlds apart, why then should they be broken? I gotta find a way to fill this empty room...love is strong however long, we should've been forever..."


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Adore: "Until the end of time, I'll be there for you. You own my heart and mind, I truly adore you. If God one day struck my blind your beauty I'd still see. Love is too weak to define just what you mean to me..."


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Those words and the music to those songs had to come from somewhere at least a little deeper in his head and heart. They're just too full of depth!!! love



True! I love that he wrote quite profound lyrics along with the shallow and frivolous and that there was usually a mix of the two on each album.


Yes, master of both the shallow and the deep with his lyrics smile


Violet I know we have been here before but I’ll say again,
My mom always said someone can tell you all day long that they love you and miss you, but if the actions don’t match those words then the words don’t mean a thing.
Lyrics=words. Carry on.
His words/actions in regard to love of his guitar and music however did match.
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Reply #245 posted 02/14/19 1:56pm

violetcrush

TheTruth123 said:

VNP said:
See that's the difference Susannah signs that IOU! With Vanity she didn't have to worry about an IOU😊😊
True, Vanity was someone he cared about but sometimes it’s best for everyone not to get too close to old flames. Prince was very wise. He didn’t want to hurt anyone. Difference between vanity and Susannah is Susannah outright asked him, vanity publicized her financial needs (where prince would see it). He was still good enough to offer his help. Poor prince, I think every woman around him who he ever loved also loved money. I’m sure this hurt him more times than we know. It’s sucks feeling people want you partially for your money, power, or whatever. I believe only two really understood how great he was and were deeply in love with him for sincere reasons: Vanity and Mayte. Vanity left him because she felt God wanted her to and it had NOTHING to do with PR film money, and he left Mayte. [Edited 2/14/19 12:08pm]

VNP and TheTruth123 - please post here the documentation PROVING that Susannah ASKED Prince for the money!!! Are you kidding me?? They were not on speaking terms during this time, and you think she's going to try to contact him about her financial situation?? Okay, right. Sure. Not to mention - there was no "contacting" Prince. She didn't have his contact information. Her financial issues were all over the internet, and her friend Jesse had set up a GoFundMe site for her. She had to miss gigs with FDeluxe during that time due to court hearings to get the proper support from her Ex. Here is the old thread from this site from 10/2014:

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http://prince.org/msg/5/411761

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Susannah's financial issues were JUST AS PUBLICIZED as Vanity's were. Really no difference at all.

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AGAIN, Prince was helping many of those from his past. And, are you kidding about the women "loving the money"?? Prince was far less than generous in terms of money with all of his camp during that time - it has been well documented. Did the girlfriends enjoy some of the perks that come with his lifestyle at the time? Of course, because they were WITH him. Vanity did too. It's not like Prince was poor when she was dating him. He was already a millionaire.

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"Vanity left Prince because she felt God wanted her to"???? Are you shitting me???!! Vanity left him and the camp because she was offered a role in Martin Scorese's film and also her own deal with Motown records - this has all been well documented and confirmed - even by Vanity herself. NO ONE had any clue that the Purple Rain film was going to be as successful as it was....NO ONE!!! For goodness sake, read the Biographies!! WB would only allow a budget of $7 million. The film grossed over $80 million!! I have no doubt Vanity was kicking herself for leaving that film, although, it still wouldn't have changed her income level, because she would have had to have signed a contract.

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The twisting and embelleshing of the history and stories is just becoming quite hilarious, really.

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Reply #246 posted 02/14/19 2:08pm

violetcrush

purplefam99 said:

violetcrush said:
Yes, master of both the shallow and the deep with his lyrics smile
Violet I know we have been here before but I’ll say again, My mom always said someone can tell you all day long that they love you and miss you, but if the actions don’t match those words then the words don’t mean a thing. Lyrics=words. Carry on. His words/actions in regard to love of his guitar and music however did match. [Edited 2/14/19 13:08pm]

Purplefam99 - I do agree that his actions rarely spoke the same as his song lyrics with regard to his relationships with women. However, that in no way confirms that, in his own mind, he didn't feel the emotion and the words he was writing/singing. Saying that he didn't is essentially saying that he was disingenuous about his feelings and the meaning of his songs. I don't think he was at all. However, I do think that he was not able to "walk the walk", as they say.

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For instance, I don't think the lyrics of "Forever In My Life" were randomly or hastily put together. If you have seen any of the live footage of him singing that song, especially back in '87-'88 you would absolutely agree - especially the performance at the 3/87 1st Avenue show where he turned his back to the audience to get it together emotionally before continuing the song. Does that mean he woud have followed the lyrics in terms of "settling down" and being monogamous?? Nope. However, that does not mean he didn't have those intentions when he wrote the song.

*

If you really listen to most of Prince's love songs he is typically portrayed as this suffering man who was treated terribly and left alone by his lover. As in, I don't know what I did to make her leave, and I want her back so badly - she left me all alone. Of course, in reading and hearing more about his relationships through the years we know this was typically not the case. By most accounts, he was controlling, difficult, emotionally unavailable, and not monogamous - a recipe for disaster in serious relationships, so they did not last.

[Edited 2/14/19 14:22pm]

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Reply #247 posted 02/14/19 2:20pm

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said: What did he say Pink? I haven't listened to that second show yet. Interesting because that song is connected to Susannah

He said that he had forgotten that music sometimes can make you emotional and he thought that perhaps he had chosen the wrong songs for that evening but that he would try to get through it. After NC2U he said "One more sad song and I will have her out of my system" He then played How Come You Don't Call Me and told the audience "We're not gonna worry about her" Someone seemed to be weighing on his mind that night.

Wow, very very interesting. Thanks Pink. He did say that on at least one other P&M show - pretty sure it was the last P&M show....yes it was - he sang Dark, Indifference, I Love U But I Don't Trust U (where he referenced "the 80's" after the lyric "I remember meeting you here in the good old days") and then he said "Okay, I think I got her out of my system".

*

At the first PP P&M show he talked about Wendy and Lisa. He said, "I'd like to show some love for Wendy and Lisa. I met Lisa first and she introduced me to Wendy". Then he went on to tell the sweet story of him hearing Lisa play piano for the first time down his basement. So sweet.

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Reply #248 posted 02/14/19 2:29pm

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

He said that he had forgotten that music sometimes can make you emotional and he thought that perhaps he had chosen the wrong songs for that evening but that he would try to get through it. After NC2U he said "One more sad song and I will have her out of my system" He then played How Come You Don't Call Me and told the audience "We're not gonna worry about her" Someone seemed to be weighing on his mind that night.

Wow, very very interesting. Thanks Pink. He did say that on at least one other P&M show - pretty sure it was the last P&M show....yes it was - he sang Dark, Indifference, I Love U But I Don't Trust U (where he referenced "the 80's" after the lyric "I remember meeting you here in the good old days") and then he said "Okay, I think I got her out of my system".

*

At the first PP P&M show he talked about Wendy and Lisa. He said, "I'd like to show some love for Wendy and Lisa. I met Lisa first and she introduced me to Wendy". Then he went on to tell the sweet story of him hearing Lisa play piano for the first time down his basement. So sweet.

You're welcome. Yes,he sounded upset throughout the show,almost like he was trying not to cry. I listened to both shows last night. He did sound very sweet when talking about Lisa and I enjoyed hearing his version of the story of their first encounter. He played Starfish & Coffee as well and kind of giggled after playing it. It was so cute.

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Reply #249 posted 02/14/19 2:51pm

violetcrush

OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple said:

True. lol

rolleyes lord jesus help us

Preach it!! Serious need for some divine and honest intervention 'round here lol headlp

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Reply #250 posted 02/14/19 4:33pm

purplefam99

violetcrush said:



purplefam99 said:


violetcrush said:
Yes, master of both the shallow and the deep with his lyrics smile

Violet I know we have been here before but I’ll say again, My mom always said someone can tell you all day long that they love you and miss you, but if the actions don’t match those words then the words don’t mean a thing. Lyrics=words. Carry on. His words/actions in regard to love of his guitar and music however did match. [Edited 2/14/19 13:08pm]


Purplefam99 - I do agree that his actions rarely spoke the same as his song lyrics with regard to his relationships with women. However, that in no way confirms that, in his own mind, he didn't feel the emotion and the words he was writing/singing. Saying that he didn't is essentially saying that he was disingenuous about his feelings and the meaning of his songs. I don't think he was at all. However, I do think that he was not able to "walk the walk", as they say.


*


For instance, I don't think the lyrics of "Forever In My Life" were randomly or hastily put together. If you have seen any of the live footage of him singing that song, especially back in '87-'88 you would absolutely agree - especially the performance at the 3/87 1st Avenue show where he turned his back to the audience to get it together emotionally before continuing the song. Does that mean he woud have followed the lyrics in terms of "settling down" and being monogamous?? Nope. However, that does not mean he didn't have those intentions when he wrote the song.


*


If you really listen to most of Prince's love songs he is typically portrayed as this suffering man who was treated terribly and left alone by his lover. As in, I don't know what I did to make her leave, and I want her back so badly - she left me all alone. Of course, in reading and hearing more about his relationships through the years we know this was typically not the case. By most accounts, he was controlling, difficult, emotionally unavailable, and not monogamous - a recipe for disaster in serious relationships, so they did not last.

[Edited 2/14/19 14:22pm]



But what of the accounts of how quickly he could come up with songs.
There is one story of him writing most of an album on a plane ride.
We know that he didn’t do tons of takes when recording, it was often first or second take and done. I think in a way he was like rappers who can rhyme on the spot. I think Prince had that same nack with lyrics he just didn’t rap. I don’t think in most cases it took him long to pen songs. Like people who can write good stories, he had a million of them. I think if he meant any of that deep deeply we would have seen different behavior. He was like love song marketer genius. And dirty mind freaky crowd getter too. He aced the class. He got every crowd. Good for him. Sometimes people are good performers, doesn’t take away a thing that you or anyone believed in Oz. We suspend belief in movies why is it so impossible in the music realm?

And I offer this all as friendly difference of opinion.
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Reply #251 posted 02/14/19 5:07pm

violetcrush

purplefam99 said:

violetcrush said:

Purplefam99 - I do agree that his actions rarely spoke the same as his song lyrics with regard to his relationships with women. However, that in no way confirms that, in his own mind, he didn't feel the emotion and the words he was writing/singing. Saying that he didn't is essentially saying that he was disingenuous about his feelings and the meaning of his songs. I don't think he was at all. However, I do think that he was not able to "walk the walk", as they say.

*

For instance, I don't think the lyrics of "Forever In My Life" were randomly or hastily put together. If you have seen any of the live footage of him singing that song, especially back in '87-'88 you would absolutely agree - especially the performance at the 3/87 1st Avenue show where he turned his back to the audience to get it together emotionally before continuing the song. Does that mean he woud have followed the lyrics in terms of "settling down" and being monogamous?? Nope. However, that does not mean he didn't have those intentions when he wrote the song.

*

If you really listen to most of Prince's love songs he is typically portrayed as this suffering man who was treated terribly and left alone by his lover. As in, I don't know what I did to make her leave, and I want her back so badly - she left me all alone. Of course, in reading and hearing more about his relationships through the years we know this was typically not the case. By most accounts, he was controlling, difficult, emotionally unavailable, and not monogamous - a recipe for disaster in serious relationships, so they did not last.

[Edited 2/14/19 14:22pm]

But what of the accounts of how quickly he could come up with songs. There is one story of him writing most of an album on a plane ride. We know that he didn’t do tons of takes when recording, it was often first or second take and done. I think in a way he was like rappers who can rhyme on the spot. I think Prince had that same nack with lyrics he just didn’t rap. I don’t think in most cases it took him long to pen songs. Like people who can write good stories, he had a million of them. I think if he meant any of that deep deeply we would have seen different behavior. He was like love song marketer genius. And dirty mind freaky crowd getter too. He aced the class. He got every crowd. Good for him. Sometimes people are good performers, doesn’t take away a thing that you or anyone believed in Oz. We suspend belief in movies why is it so impossible in the music realm? And I offer this all as friendly difference of opinion. [Edited 2/14/19 16:39pm]

I disagree quite a bit here. It has been stated by many, especially those close to him, that he communicated and expressed his thoughts through his songs. Recording was a release for him. The fact that he recorded quickly just meant that he had to get the music out - had to release those thoughts and inspirational feelings. No doubt that some songs came faster than others, or that he didn't take some seriously, but it's pretty easy to decipher the deeper more emotional tracks compared to the lighter sillier ones. As an example, Empty Room as opposed to Poom Poom. Solo as opposed to Face Down. Or, Condition Of The Heart as opposed to Movie Star.

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The fact that he recorded songs quickly doesn't mean his lyrics were frivolous at all. And it's important to note that many of his songs were far from heartfelt or deep in terms of expressing love - many are straight-up sexual songs or party songs. There really aren't that many truly deep love songs - that we've heard so far. This is why songs like Empty Room, Forever In My Life, and NC2U are so loved by most long-term fans. A big part of his genius was having the ability to walk into the studio, start a drum pattern, add bass, add keys, and guitar based on a thought or inspiration and then put it all together with lyrics to convey his message. His songs are the narrative of his life, and he had even stated that as well.

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Reply #252 posted 02/14/19 5:12pm

purplefam99

violetcrush said:



purplefam99 said:


violetcrush said:



Purplefam99 - I do agree that his actions rarely spoke the same as his song lyrics with regard to his relationships with women. However, that in no way confirms that, in his own mind, he didn't feel the emotion and the words he was writing/singing. Saying that he didn't is essentially saying that he was disingenuous about his feelings and the meaning of his songs. I don't think he was at all. However, I do think that he was not able to "walk the walk", as they say.


*


For instance, I don't think the lyrics of "Forever In My Life" were randomly or hastily put together. If you have seen any of the live footage of him singing that song, especially back in '87-'88 you would absolutely agree - especially the performance at the 3/87 1st Avenue show where he turned his back to the audience to get it together emotionally before continuing the song. Does that mean he woud have followed the lyrics in terms of "settling down" and being monogamous?? Nope. However, that does not mean he didn't have those intentions when he wrote the song.


*


If you really listen to most of Prince's love songs he is typically portrayed as this suffering man who was treated terribly and left alone by his lover. As in, I don't know what I did to make her leave, and I want her back so badly - she left me all alone. Of course, in reading and hearing more about his relationships through the years we know this was typically not the case. By most accounts, he was controlling, difficult, emotionally unavailable, and not monogamous - a recipe for disaster in serious relationships, so they did not last.


[Edited 2/14/19 14:22pm]



But what of the accounts of how quickly he could come up with songs. There is one story of him writing most of an album on a plane ride. We know that he didn’t do tons of takes when recording, it was often first or second take and done. I think in a way he was like rappers who can rhyme on the spot. I think Prince had that same nack with lyrics he just didn’t rap. I don’t think in most cases it took him long to pen songs. Like people who can write good stories, he had a million of them. I think if he meant any of that deep deeply we would have seen different behavior. He was like love song marketer genius. And dirty mind freaky crowd getter too. He aced the class. He got every crowd. Good for him. Sometimes people are good performers, doesn’t take away a thing that you or anyone believed in Oz. We suspend belief in movies why is it so impossible in the music realm? And I offer this all as friendly difference of opinion. [Edited 2/14/19 16:39pm]


I disagree quite a bit here. It has been stated by many, especially those close to him, that he communicated and expressed his thoughts through his songs. Recording was a release for him. The fact that he recorded quickly just meant that he had to get the music out - had to release those thoughts and inspirational feelings. No doubt that some songs came faster than others, or that he didn't take some seriously, but it's pretty easy to decipher the deeper more emotional tracks compared to the lighter sillier ones. As an example, Empty Room as opposed to Poom Poom. Solo as opposed to Face Down. Or, Condition Of The Heart as opposed to Movie Star.


*


The fact that he recorded songs quickly doesn't mean his lyrics were frivolous at all. And it's important to note that many of his songs were far from heartfelt or deep in terms of expressing love - many are straight-up sexual songs or party songs. There really aren't that many truly deep love songs - that we've heard so far. This is why songs like Empty Room, Forever In My Life, and NC2U are so loved by most long-term fans. A big part of his genius was having the ability to walk into the studio, start a drum pattern, add bass, add keys, and guitar based on a thought or inspiration and then put it all together with lyrics to convey his message. His songs are the narrative of his life, and he had even stated that as well.



I don’t think they were an accurate narrative given he was the one usually done
Wrong in his lyrics.
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Reply #253 posted 02/14/19 5:14pm

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Wow, very very interesting. Thanks Pink. He did say that on at least one other P&M show - pretty sure it was the last P&M show....yes it was - he sang Dark, Indifference, I Love U But I Don't Trust U (where he referenced "the 80's" after the lyric "I remember meeting you here in the good old days") and then he said "Okay, I think I got her out of my system".

*

At the first PP P&M show he talked about Wendy and Lisa. He said, "I'd like to show some love for Wendy and Lisa. I met Lisa first and she introduced me to Wendy". Then he went on to tell the sweet story of him hearing Lisa play piano for the first time down his basement. So sweet.

You're welcome. Yes,he sounded upset throughout the show,almost like he was trying not to cry. I listened to both shows last night. He did sound very sweet when talking about Lisa and I enjoyed hearing his version of the story of their first encounter. He played Starfish & Coffee as well and kind of giggled after playing it. It was so cute.

[Edited 2/14/19 14:44pm]

Oh wow. I am listening to the first show at PP now, and he is literally telling his story beginning from childhood - his Dad not letting him play the piano, then moving out so he could now play it, being free to write music (playing one of the first songs he wrote), then saying "it's all happening" before he played I Wanna Be Your Lover, then talking about how he was discovering who he was before going into Dirty Mind, then talking about the 542 fights with a girl turning into 900 fights before starting Something In The Water. SO GOOD!!!

*

Can't wait to finish! And this confirms my statements that he was reminiscing from the beginning to the end of the P&M tour about everything in his life - family, friends, women, politics and music.

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Reply #254 posted 02/14/19 5:25pm

pinkcashmere23

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

You're welcome. Yes,he sounded upset throughout the show,almost like he was trying not to cry. I listened to both shows last night. He did sound very sweet when talking about Lisa and I enjoyed hearing his version of the story of their first encounter. He played Starfish & Coffee as well and kind of giggled after playing it. It was so cute.

[Edited 2/14/19 14:44pm]

Oh wow. I am listening to the first show at PP now, and he is literally telling his story beginning from childhood - his Dad not letting him play the piano, then moving out so he could now play it, being free to write music (playing one of the first songs he wrote), then saying "it's all happening" before he played I Wanna Be Your Lover, then talking about how he was discovering who he was before going into Dirty Mind, then talking about the 542 fights with a girl turning into 900 fights before starting Something In The Water. SO GOOD!!!

*

Can't wait to finish! And this confirms my statements that he was reminiscing from the beginning to the end of the P&M tour about everything in his life - family, friends, women, politics and music.

Yes,it's fascinating to listen to him sharing what was on his heart and mind during those shows. Be sure to listen to the ONA piano segment at the end of show 1. The performance of Empty Room is so moving and emotional. Just amazing!

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Reply #255 posted 02/14/19 5:35pm

violetcrush

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Oh wow. I am listening to the first show at PP now, and he is literally telling his story beginning from childhood - his Dad not letting him play the piano, then moving out so he could now play it, being free to write music (playing one of the first songs he wrote), then saying "it's all happening" before he played I Wanna Be Your Lover, then talking about how he was discovering who he was before going into Dirty Mind, then talking about the 542 fights with a girl turning into 900 fights before starting Something In The Water. SO GOOD!!!

*

Can't wait to finish! And this confirms my statements that he was reminiscing from the beginning to the end of the P&M tour about everything in his life - family, friends, women, politics and music.

Yes,it's fascinating to listen to him sharing what was on his heart and mind during those shows. Be sure to listen to the ONA piano segment at the end of show 1. The performance of Empty Room is so moving and emotional. Just amazing!

Good God I can't wait!! Unbelievable how he is sharing about his life. It's almost like he's reciting his memoir on stage.

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Reply #256 posted 02/14/19 6:22pm

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violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes,it's fascinating to listen to him sharing what was on his heart and mind during those shows. Be sure to listen to the ONA piano segment at the end of show 1. The performance of Empty Room is so moving and emotional. Just amazing!

Good God I can't wait!! Unbelievable how he is sharing about his life. It's almost like he's reciting his memoir on stage.

Yes, it's very moving to hear him like that. I think those shows may have been his introduction to the idea of writing his story. I noted that he mentioned I believe during The Ladder that everyone has their story,HIStory and HERtory. He captioned one of the reviews on Twitter that way as well.

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Reply #257 posted 02/14/19 7:45pm

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pinkcashmere23 said:



violetcrush said:




pinkcashmere23 said:



Yes,it's fascinating to listen to him sharing what was on his heart and mind during those shows. Be sure to listen to the ONA piano segment at the end of show 1. The performance of Empty Room is so moving and emotional. Just amazing!




Good God I can't wait!! Unbelievable how he is sharing about his life. It's almost like he's reciting his memoir on stage.



Yes, it's very moving to hear him like that. I think those shows may have been his introduction to the idea of writing his story. I noted that he mentioned I believe during The Ladder that everyone has their story,HIStory and HERtory. He captioned one of the reviews on Twitter that way as well.


Loved the first show. And the ONA show extra at the end is great too. I like how it parallels the P&M show but 15 yrs earlier. It's clear that he is younger and has more energy, but is still talking to the crowd in a similar way. Love how he set up Empty Room too with how he was feeling and asking the crowd if they've ever had their heart broken. So endearing.
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Reply #258 posted 02/14/19 7:55pm

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violetcrush said:



purplefam99 said:


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Purplefam99 - I do agree that his actions rarely spoke the same as his song lyrics with regard to his relationships with women. However, that in no way confirms that, in his own mind, he didn't feel the emotion and the words he was writing/singing. Saying that he didn't is essentially saying that he was disingenuous about his feelings and the meaning of his songs. I don't think he was at all. However, I do think that he was not able to "walk the walk", as they say.


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For instance, I don't think the lyrics of "Forever In My Life" were randomly or hastily put together. If you have seen any of the live footage of him singing that song, especially back in '87-'88 you would absolutely agree - especially the performance at the 3/87 1st Avenue show where he turned his back to the audience to get it together emotionally before continuing the song. Does that mean he woud have followed the lyrics in terms of "settling down" and being monogamous?? Nope. However, that does not mean he didn't have those intentions when he wrote the song.


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If you really listen to most of Prince's love songs he is typically portrayed as this suffering man who was treated terribly and left alone by his lover. As in, I don't know what I did to make her leave, and I want her back so badly - she left me all alone. Of course, in reading and hearing more about his relationships through the years we know this was typically not the case. By most accounts, he was controlling, difficult, emotionally unavailable, and not monogamous - a recipe for disaster in serious relationships, so they did not last.


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But what of the accounts of how quickly he could come up with songs. There is one story of him writing most of an album on a plane ride. We know that he didn’t do tons of takes when recording, it was often first or second take and done. I think in a way he was like rappers who can rhyme on the spot. I think Prince had that same nack with lyrics he just didn’t rap. I don’t think in most cases it took him long to pen songs. Like people who can write good stories, he had a million of them. I think if he meant any of that deep deeply we would have seen different behavior. He was like love song marketer genius. And dirty mind freaky crowd getter too. He aced the class. He got every crowd. Good for him. Sometimes people are good performers, doesn’t take away a thing that you or anyone believed in Oz. We suspend belief in movies why is it so impossible in the music realm? And I offer this all as friendly difference of opinion. [Edited 2/14/19 16:39pm]


I disagree quite a bit here. It has been stated by many, especially those close to him, that he communicated and expressed his thoughts through his songs. Recording was a release for him. The fact that he recorded quickly just meant that he had to get the music out - had to release those thoughts and inspirational feelings. No doubt that some songs came faster than others, or that he didn't take some seriously, but it's pretty easy to decipher the deeper more emotional tracks compared to the lighter sillier ones. As an example, Empty Room as opposed to Poom Poom. Solo as opposed to Face Down. Or, Condition Of The Heart as opposed to Movie Star.


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The fact that he recorded songs quickly doesn't mean his lyrics were frivolous at all. And it's important to note that many of his songs were far from heartfelt or deep in terms of expressing love - many are straight-up sexual songs or party songs. There really aren't that many truly deep love songs - that we've heard so far. This is why songs like Empty Room, Forever In My Life, and NC2U are so loved by most long-term fans. A big part of his genius was having the ability to walk into the studio, start a drum pattern, add bass, add keys, and guitar based on a thought or inspiration and then put it all together with lyrics to convey his message. His songs are the narrative of his life, and he had even stated that as well.



I don’t think they were an accurate narrative given he was the one usually done
Wrong in his lyrics.

What songs weren't an accurate narrative?? Empty Room? FIML and NC2U?? All are his narrative of either missing or professing his feelings to/about his lover. ER and NC2U are both describing how he's been left alone. FIML is Prince telling her all the things she is to him, and he wants her with him always. Yes, Prince's behavior usually pushed them away, however, from his perspective they still left him alone. If he had been the person that he expected them to be in the relationship they wouldn't have left him.
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Reply #259 posted 02/14/19 8:41pm

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violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes, it's very moving to hear him like that. I think those shows may have been his introduction to the idea of writing his story. I noted that he mentioned I believe during The Ladder that everyone has their story,HIStory and HERtory. He captioned one of the reviews on Twitter that way as well.

Loved the first show. And the ONA show extra at the end is great too. I like how it parallels the P&M show but 15 yrs earlier. It's clear that he is younger and has more energy, but is still talking to the crowd in a similar way. Love how he set up Empty Room too with how he was feeling and asking the crowd if they've ever had their heart broken. So endearing.

Yes,I loved his story about Empty Room. Talking about finding a strand of hair and taping it to the mirror. I also loved the comical skit during 'Adore' about his woman smashing up his ride lol. It's similar to the performance on ONA Live. The shows in Oakland seemed very personal too.

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Reply #260 posted 02/15/19 3:23am

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pinkcashmere23 said:



violetcrush said:


pinkcashmere23 said:


Yes, it's very moving to hear him like that. I think those shows may have been his introduction to the idea of writing his story. I noted that he mentioned I believe during The Ladder that everyone has their story,HIStory and HERtory. He captioned one of the reviews on Twitter that way as well.



Loved the first show. And the ONA show extra at the end is great too. I like how it parallels the P&M show but 15 yrs earlier. It's clear that he is younger and has more energy, but is still talking to the crowd in a similar way. Love how he set up Empty Room too with how he was feeling and asking the crowd if they've ever had their heart broken. So endearing.

Yes,I loved his story about Empty Room. Talking about finding a strand of hair and taping it to the mirror. I also loved the comical skit during 'Adore' about his woman smashing up his ride lol. It's similar to the performance on ONA Live. The shows in Oakland seemed very personal too.


Also loved hearing Soul Sanctuary played live on that ONA show. I had not heard that one played live.
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Reply #261 posted 02/15/19 3:50am

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violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes,I loved his story about Empty Room. Talking about finding a strand of hair and taping it to the mirror. I also loved the comical skit during 'Adore' about his woman smashing up his ride lol. It's similar to the performance on ONA Live. The shows in Oakland seemed very personal too.

Also loved hearing Soul Sanctuary played live on that ONA show. I had not heard that one played live.

Yes! I was pleasantly surprised by that.

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Reply #262 posted 02/16/19 12:06pm

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TheTruth123 said:


VNP said:
See that's the difference Susannah signs that IOU! With Vanity she didn't have to worry about an IOU😊😊

True, Vanity was someone he cared about but sometimes it’s best for everyone not to get too close to old flames. Prince was very wise. He didn’t want to hurt anyone. Difference between vanity and Susannah is Susannah outright asked him, vanity publicized her financial needs (where prince would see it). He was still good enough to offer his help. Poor prince, I think every woman around him who he ever loved also loved money. I’m sure this hurt him more times than we know. It’s sucks feeling people want you partially for your money, power, or whatever. I believe only two really understood how great he was and were deeply in love with him for sincere reasons: Vanity and Mayte. Vanity left him because she felt God wanted her to and it had NOTHING to do with PR film money, and he left Mayte. [Edited 2/14/19 12:08pm]


VNP and TheTruth123 - please post here the documentation PROVING that Susannah ASKED Prince for the money!!! Are you kidding me?? They were not on speaking terms during this time, and you think she's going to try to contact him about her financial situation?? Okay, right. Sure. Not to mention - there was no "contacting" Prince. She didn't have his contact information. Her financial issues were all over the internet, and her friend Jesse had set up a GoFundMe site for her. She had to miss gigs with FDeluxe during that time due to court hearings to get the proper support from her Ex. Here is the old thread from this site from 10/2014:


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http://prince.org/msg/5/411761


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Susannah's financial issues were JUST AS PUBLICIZED as Vanity's were. Really no difference at all.


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AGAIN, Prince was helping many of those from his past. And, are you kidding about the women "loving the money"?? Prince was far less than generous in terms of money with all of his camp during that time - it has been well documented. Did the girlfriends enjoy some of the perks that come with his lifestyle at the time? Of course, because they were WITH him. Vanity did too. It's not like Prince was poor when she was dating him. He was already a millionaire.


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"Vanity left Prince because she felt God wanted her to"???? Are you shitting me???!! Vanity left him and the camp because she was offered a role in Martin Scorese's film and also her own deal with Motown records - this has all been well documented and confirmed - even by Vanity herself. NO ONE had any clue that the Purple Rain film was going to be as successful as it was....NO ONE!!! For goodness sake, read the Biographies!! WB would only allow a budget of $7 million. The film grossed over $80 million!! I have no doubt Vanity was kicking herself for leaving that film, although, it still wouldn't have changed her income level, because she would have had to have signed a contract.


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The twisting and embelleshing of the history and stories is just becoming quite hilarious, really.

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I didn't say anything about Susannah asking Prince for money.
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Reply #263 posted 02/16/19 12:41pm

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VNP said:

violetcrush said:

VNP and TheTruth123 - please post here the documentation PROVING that Susannah ASKED Prince for the money!!! Are you kidding me?? They were not on speaking terms during this time, and you think she's going to try to contact him about her financial situation?? Okay, right. Sure. Not to mention - there was no "contacting" Prince. She didn't have his contact information. Her financial issues were all over the internet, and her friend Jesse had set up a GoFundMe site for her. She had to miss gigs with FDeluxe during that time due to court hearings to get the proper support from her Ex. Here is the old thread from this site from 10/2014:

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http://prince.org/msg/5/411761

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Susannah's financial issues were JUST AS PUBLICIZED as Vanity's were. Really no difference at all.

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AGAIN, Prince was helping many of those from his past. And, are you kidding about the women "loving the money"?? Prince was far less than generous in terms of money with all of his camp during that time - it has been well documented. Did the girlfriends enjoy some of the perks that come with his lifestyle at the time? Of course, because they were WITH him. Vanity did too. It's not like Prince was poor when she was dating him. He was already a millionaire.

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"Vanity left Prince because she felt God wanted her to"???? Are you shitting me???!! Vanity left him and the camp because she was offered a role in Martin Scorese's film and also her own deal with Motown records - this has all been well documented and confirmed - even by Vanity herself. NO ONE had any clue that the Purple Rain film was going to be as successful as it was....NO ONE!!! For goodness sake, read the Biographies!! WB would only allow a budget of $7 million. The film grossed over $80 million!! I have no doubt Vanity was kicking herself for leaving that film, although, it still wouldn't have changed her income level, because she would have had to have signed a contract.

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The twisting and embelleshing of the history and stories is just becoming quite hilarious, really.

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I didn't say anything about Susannah asking Prince for money.

My response was to both you and The Truth123 regarding various comments each of you made about Susannah Melvoin.

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Reply #264 posted 02/16/19 7:19pm

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Let's not forget that Prince also lost a great love not long before Denise in Kim Upsher. Often forgotten about because she wasn't famous but no doubting she was one of the great loves/influences of his life. Reportedly remained friends through the years and P was rumoured to have paid her funeral costs. For anyone in as fragile a state in body and mind as P was, and to be losing friends/peers like he was in his last few months must have taken its toll. But as the years went by, to suggest Kim, Susannah, or Denise were anything other than friends is ludicrous.
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Reply #265 posted 02/17/19 9:34am

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Let's not forget that Prince also lost a great love not long before Denise in Kim Upsher. Often forgotten about because she wasn't famous but no doubting she was one of the great loves/influences of his life. Reportedly remained friends through the years and P was rumoured to have paid her funeral costs. For anyone in as fragile a state in body and mind as P was, and to be losing friends/peers like he was in his last few months must have taken its toll. But as the years went by, to suggest Kim, Susannah, or Denise were anything other than friends is ludicrous.

I agree with you here. Kim Upsher came before and probably during Susan Moonsie, and was also cast in the PR film. She was very early on though, as far as a romance. He was no doubt still growing emotionally during that time. Both young men and women mature by leaps and bounds with regard to romantic relationships from the age of 19-20 through 25. Most, especially boys, are just horny kids with raging hormones in their early 20's. So, if you add the rising fame, as in Prince's case, it was an exponential situation with girls. By the time he was into the success of Purple Rain I think he was struggling with becoming emotionally mature within a relationship, but also being a "kid in a candy store" with regard to getting any woman he desired. It shows in some of the songs he was writing during that time - NC2U/Condition of the Heart vs. Temptation/Tamborine. He clearly wanted to continue both dynamics though.

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I agree that by the end of his life these women had all become friends - off and on, because it seems any type of relationship with him was difficult to maintain in a steady way - even with his own family members. However, there were songs - mainly througout the 90's - that expressed his feelings of loss about a woman he loved, and missing a woman. I don't think those songs were fabricated, however, we don't know if they were all focused on one woman in particular, or if they were connected to different women - probably the latter is more likely.

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Yes, I think the combination of losing some of his peers and the decline of his own health was causing him to reflect and reminisce throughout his last shows. He was opening that door a bit more to his personal thoughts and life story. Interestingly, when listening to the first P&M show at PP, January 2016, many of the comments he made about his early life were in fact covered correctly in the Biographies. So, that's good to know.

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Reply #266 posted 02/17/19 9:54am

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violetcrush said:

petalthecat said:

Let's not forget that Prince also lost a great love not long before Denise in Kim Upsher. Often forgotten about because she wasn't famous but no doubting she was one of the great loves/influences of his life. Reportedly remained friends through the years and P was rumoured to have paid her funeral costs. For anyone in as fragile a state in body and mind as P was, and to be losing friends/peers like he was in his last few months must have taken its toll. But as the years went by, to suggest Kim, Susannah, or Denise were anything other than friends is ludicrous.

I agree with you here. Kim Upsher came before and probably during Susan Moonsie, and was also cast in the PR film. She was very early on though, as far as a romance. He was no doubt still growing emotionally during that time. Both young men and women mature by leaps and bounds with regard to romantic relationships from the age of 19-20 through 25. Most, especially boys, are just horny kids with raging hormones in their early 20's. So, if you add the rising fame, as in Prince's case, it was an exponential situation with girls. By the time he was into the success of Purple Rain I think he was struggling with becoming emotionally mature within a relationship, but also being a "kid in a candy store" with regard to getting any woman he desired. It shows in some of the songs he was writing during that time - NC2U/Condition of the Heart vs. Temptation/Tamborine. He clearly wanted to continue both dynamics though.

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I agree that by the end of his life these women had all become friends - off and on, because it seems any type of relationship with him was difficult to maintain in a steady way - even with his own family members. However, there were songs - mainly througout the 90's - that expressed his feelings of loss about a woman he loved, and missing a woman. I don't think those songs were fabricated, however, we don't know if they were all focused on one woman in particular, or if they were connected to different women - probably the latter is more likely.

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Yes, I think the combination of losing some of his peers and the decline of his own health was causing him to reflect and reminisce throughout his last shows. He was opening that door a bit more to his personal thoughts and life story. Interestingly, when listening to the first P&M show at PP, January 2016, many of the comments he made about his early life were in fact covered correctly in the Biographies. So, that's good to know.

Yes,he was reflecting about past relationships a lot during the P&M shows it seemed. Perhaps he was starting to feel the passage of time causing him to reminisce. All of the shows are fascinating to listen to. I can't recall him ever being so open before about his life. He told a few stories about his parents and their relationship as well.

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Reply #267 posted 02/17/19 10:03am

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pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

I agree with you here. Kim Upsher came before and probably during Susan Moonsie, and was also cast in the PR film. She was very early on though, as far as a romance. He was no doubt still growing emotionally during that time. Both young men and women mature by leaps and bounds with regard to romantic relationships from the age of 19-20 through 25. Most, especially boys, are just horny kids with raging hormones in their early 20's. So, if you add the rising fame, as in Prince's case, it was an exponential situation with girls. By the time he was into the success of Purple Rain I think he was struggling with becoming emotionally mature within a relationship, but also being a "kid in a candy store" with regard to getting any woman he desired. It shows in some of the songs he was writing during that time - NC2U/Condition of the Heart vs. Temptation/Tamborine. He clearly wanted to continue both dynamics though.

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I agree that by the end of his life these women had all become friends - off and on, because it seems any type of relationship with him was difficult to maintain in a steady way - even with his own family members. However, there were songs - mainly througout the 90's - that expressed his feelings of loss about a woman he loved, and missing a woman. I don't think those songs were fabricated, however, we don't know if they were all focused on one woman in particular, or if they were connected to different women - probably the latter is more likely.

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Yes, I think the combination of losing some of his peers and the decline of his own health was causing him to reflect and reminisce throughout his last shows. He was opening that door a bit more to his personal thoughts and life story. Interestingly, when listening to the first P&M show at PP, January 2016, many of the comments he made about his early life were in fact covered correctly in the Biographies. So, that's good to know.

Yes,he was reflecting about past relationships a lot during the P&M shows it seemed. Perhaps he was starting to feel the passage of time causing him to reminisce. All of the shows are fascinating to listen to. I can't recall him ever being so open before about his life. He told a few stories about his parents and their relationship as well.

Yes, it's so great to hear him talk and tell some of those stories. I'm thinking now that the Biographies (some at least) did have accurate information, so he neither confirmed nor denied those stories in order to remain that mysterious figure and to keep people guessing.

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But it's also true that his songs tell much of his life story as well - just in a more cryptic way.

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Reply #268 posted 02/17/19 11:40am

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violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes,he was reflecting about past relationships a lot during the P&M shows it seemed. Perhaps he was starting to feel the passage of time causing him to reminisce. All of the shows are fascinating to listen to. I can't recall him ever being so open before about his life. He told a few stories about his parents and their relationship as well.

Yes, it's so great to hear him talk and tell some of those stories. I'm thinking now that the Biographies (some at least) did have accurate information, so he neither confirmed nor denied those stories in order to remain that mysterious figure and to keep people guessing.

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But it's also true that his songs tell much of his life story as well - just in a more cryptic way.

Very true. The P&M shows were the first time I can recall him being so open and transparent. His comments were very funny at times as well. I love the part of the show,I believe in Auckland when he talked about the young girl staring at him and was seemingly mimicing her from the audience's reaction. He went on to say he wasn't mad at her because when he first saw Joni Mitchell in concert he stared at her the exact same way. lol

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Reply #269 posted 02/17/19 11:48am

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pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, it's so great to hear him talk and tell some of those stories. I'm thinking now that the Biographies (some at least) did have accurate information, so he neither confirmed nor denied those stories in order to remain that mysterious figure and to keep people guessing.

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But it's also true that his songs tell much of his life story as well - just in a more cryptic way.

Very true. The P&M shows were the first time I can recall him being so open and transparent. His comments were very funny at times as well. I love the part of the show,I believe in Auckland when he talked about the young girl staring at him and was seemingly mimicing her from the audience's reaction. He went on to say he wasn't mad at her because when he first saw Joni Mitchell in concert he stared at her the exact same way. lol

Yes, that was very sweet smile

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