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Thread started 09/22/17 5:47pm

ThatWhiteDude

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Why is Mayte so hated by the Fam?

Like, she's really not the only one who wrote a book, or shared her stories with Prince. And isn't that a bit the point of not forgetting Prince? I understand that most Fans want his Music to remember him, but it's good to get to know the man behind it too, otherwise he'd seem so otherworldly.

And I don't think that her book is a tell all book, like, she didn't talk about the sex or such things. I read it and honestly it's one of the lovliest books I've read. It made me respect Prince even more, as a human being.

There were other women who talked in the press about their relationships with Prince, I read older threads were one woman bragged about meeting Prince and some fams wanted to know all the details, or the threads about Groupies. But Mayte's Book is not okay?

I just want to know why Mayte get's so much hate.

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Reply #1 posted 09/22/17 6:10pm

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I am glad you intrepreted her book that way. I think some people think she was trying to martyr herself by passively agressively painting him as a predatory, cheap, control freak and herself as his faithful love servant. I don't know what I think about her book. but I do sometimes think that had she not released the book on the anniversary of his death, had not been okay with the more controversial aspects of him being cherry picked for the People Magazine article, had been a bit more consistent at times, and had admitted that being hte wife of a rock star had its benefits, people wouldn't be so mad at her.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Like, she's really not the only one who wrote a book, or shared her stories with Prince. And isn't that a bit the point of not forgetting Prince? I understand that most Fans want his Music to remember him, but it's good to get to know the man behind it too, otherwise he'd seem so otherworldly.

And I don't think that her book is a tell all book, like, she didn't talk about the sex or such things. I read it and honestly it's one of the lovliest books I've read. It made me respect Prince even more, as a human being.

There were other women who talked in the press about their relationships with Prince, I read older threads were one woman bragged about meeting Prince and some fams wanted to know all the details, or the threads about Groupies. But Mayte's Book is not okay?

I just want to know why Mayte get's so much hate.

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Reply #2 posted 09/22/17 6:14pm

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Good points. I saw a lot of Interviews with her and she really tried to defent him against those accusations.

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I am glad you intrepreted her book that way. I think some people think she was trying to martyr herself by passively agressively painting him as a predatory, cheap, control freak and herself as his faithful love servant. I don't know what I think about her book. but I do sometimes think that had she not released the book on the anniversary of his death, had not been okay with the more controversial aspects of him being cherry picked for the People Magazine article, had been a bit more consistent at times, and had admitted that being hte wife of a rock star had its benefits, people wouldn't be so mad at her.

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Like, she's really not the only one who wrote a book, or shared her stories with Prince. And isn't that a bit the point of not forgetting Prince? I understand that most Fans want his Music to remember him, but it's good to get to know the man behind it too, otherwise he'd seem so otherworldly.

And I don't think that her book is a tell all book, like, she didn't talk about the sex or such things. I read it and honestly it's one of the lovliest books I've read. It made me respect Prince even more, as a human being.

There were other women who talked in the press about their relationships with Prince, I read older threads were one woman bragged about meeting Prince and some fams wanted to know all the details, or the threads about Groupies. But Mayte's Book is not okay?

I just want to know why Mayte get's so much hate.

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Reply #3 posted 09/22/17 6:40pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:

Like, she's really not the only one who wrote a book, or shared her stories with Prince. And isn't that a bit the point of not forgetting Prince? I understand that most Fans want his Music to remember him, but it's good to get to know the man behind it too, otherwise he'd seem so otherworldly.



And I don't think that her book is a tell all book, like, she didn't talk about the sex or such things. I read it and honestly it's one of the lovliest books I've read. It made me respect Prince even more, as a human being.



There were other women who talked in the press about their relationships with Prince, I read older threads were one woman bragged about meeting Prince and some fams wanted to know all the details, or the threads about Groupies. But Mayte's Book is not okay?



I just want to know why Mayte get's so much hate.








Nice that you liked the book, but what exactly did she say that made you respect prince more?
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Reply #4 posted 09/22/17 6:49pm

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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Like, she's really not the only one who wrote a book, or shared her stories with Prince. And isn't that a bit the point of not forgetting Prince? I understand that most Fans want his Music to remember him, but it's good to get to know the man behind it too, otherwise he'd seem so otherworldly.

And I don't think that her book is a tell all book, like, she didn't talk about the sex or such things. I read it and honestly it's one of the lovliest books I've read. It made me respect Prince even more, as a human being.

There were other women who talked in the press about their relationships with Prince, I read older threads were one woman bragged about meeting Prince and some fams wanted to know all the details, or the threads about Groupies. But Mayte's Book is not okay?

I just want to know why Mayte get's so much hate.

Nice that you liked the book, but what exactly did she say that made you respect prince more?

She didn't say anything specific, but she showed his more human side and didn't focus much on the artist. She showed us that he loved his son and shared what kind of father he was in Ahmiirs short time on earth.

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Reply #5 posted 09/22/17 7:50pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:

Like, she's really not the only one who wrote a book, or shared her stories with Prince. And isn't that a bit the point of not forgetting Prince? I understand that most Fans want his Music to remember him, but it's good to get to know the man behind it too, otherwise he'd seem so otherworldly.



And I don't think that her book is a tell all book, like, she didn't talk about the sex or such things. I read it and honestly it's one of the lovliest books I've read. It made me respect Prince even more, as a human being.



There were other women who talked in the press about their relationships with Prince, I read older threads were one woman bragged about meeting Prince and some fams wanted to know all the details, or the threads about Groupies. But Mayte's Book is not okay?



I just want to know why Mayte get's so much hate.





He cheated on his wife
He was controlling
Opioid abuser
Abandoned his wife
Mayte didn't depict prince in a positive light so i can see why some prince fans are upset with this book.
For me personally the book showed that prince was very flawed but i still love him.
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Reply #6 posted 09/22/17 7:53pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:

Like, she's really not the only one who wrote a book, or shared her stories with Prince. And isn't that a bit the point of not forgetting Prince? I understand that most Fans want his Music to remember him, but it's good to get to know the man behind it too, otherwise he'd seem so otherworldly.



And I don't think that her book is a tell all book, like, she didn't talk about the sex or such things. I read it and honestly it's one of the lovliest books I've read. It made me respect Prince even more, as a human being.



There were other women who talked in the press about their relationships with Prince, I read older threads were one woman bragged about meeting Prince and some fams wanted to know all the details, or the threads about Groupies. But Mayte's Book is not okay?



I just want to know why Mayte get's so much hate.





Oh and accused of him of burning his own sons ashes, that ticked a lot of people.
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Reply #7 posted 09/22/17 8:17pm

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Strawberrylova123 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Like, she's really not the only one who wrote a book, or shared her stories with Prince. And isn't that a bit the point of not forgetting Prince? I understand that most Fans want his Music to remember him, but it's good to get to know the man behind it too, otherwise he'd seem so otherworldly.

And I don't think that her book is a tell all book, like, she didn't talk about the sex or such things. I read it and honestly it's one of the lovliest books I've read. It made me respect Prince even more, as a human being.

There were other women who talked in the press about their relationships with Prince, I read older threads were one woman bragged about meeting Prince and some fams wanted to know all the details, or the threads about Groupies. But Mayte's Book is not okay?

I just want to know why Mayte get's so much hate.

He cheated on his wife He was controlling Opioid abuser Abandoned his wife Mayte didn't depict prince in a positive light so i can see why some prince fans are upset with this book. For me personally the book showed that prince was very flawed but i still love him.

The only thing that wasn't positive was the thing with their sons ashes. I think all in all the book shows a more positive picture of Prince.

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Reply #8 posted 09/22/17 8:26pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:



Strawberrylova123 said:


ThatWhiteDude said:

Like, she's really not the only one who wrote a book, or shared her stories with Prince. And isn't that a bit the point of not forgetting Prince? I understand that most Fans want his Music to remember him, but it's good to get to know the man behind it too, otherwise he'd seem so otherworldly.



And I don't think that her book is a tell all book, like, she didn't talk about the sex or such things. I read it and honestly it's one of the lovliest books I've read. It made me respect Prince even more, as a human being.



There were other women who talked in the press about their relationships with Prince, I read older threads were one woman bragged about meeting Prince and some fams wanted to know all the details, or the threads about Groupies. But Mayte's Book is not okay?



I just want to know why Mayte get's so much hate.






He cheated on his wife He was controlling Opioid abuser Abandoned his wife Mayte didn't depict prince in a positive light so i can see why some prince fans are upset with this book. For me personally the book showed that prince was very flawed but i still love him.

The only thing that wasn't positive was the thing with their sons ashes. I think all in all the book shows a more positive picture of Prince.


So you think him cheating on mayte and abandoning her in spain, supposedly abusing opiods, forcing his depressed wife to appear on Oprah, controlling her life,burning her stuff is a positive depiction?? I still love prince even all of his flaws but this book wasn't a love story that she promoted lol
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Reply #9 posted 09/22/17 8:35pm

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Strawberrylova123 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

The only thing that wasn't positive was the thing with their sons ashes. I think all in all the book shows a more positive picture of Prince.

So you think him cheating on mayte and abandoning her in spain, supposedly abusing opiods, forcing his depressed wife to appear on Oprah, controlling her life,burning her stuff is a positive depiction?? I still love prince even all of his flaws but this book wasn't a love story that she promoted lol

So she should've just don't write the truth about the relationship just to make him look positive? 'come on, that's silly, Prince wasn't the only man to do this kind of crap. And to be honest, I think she made him look more positive than some other dudes, or girls out of his circle. I mean, Prince was known to be controlling and stuff like that. It's not like she wrote something new about his character. She even defended him in some interviews biggrin

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Reply #10 posted 09/22/17 8:49pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:



Strawberrylova123 said:


ThatWhiteDude said:


The only thing that wasn't positive was the thing with their sons ashes. I think all in all the book shows a more positive picture of Prince.



So you think him cheating on mayte and abandoning her in spain, supposedly abusing opiods, forcing his depressed wife to appear on Oprah, controlling her life,burning her stuff is a positive depiction?? I still love prince even all of his flaws but this book wasn't a love story that she promoted lol

So she should've just don't write the truth about the relationship just to make him look positive? 'come on, that's silly, Prince wasn't the only man to do this kind of crap. And to be honest, I think she made him look more positive than some other dudes, or girls out of his circle. I mean, Prince was known to be controlling and stuff like that. It's not like she wrote something new about his character. She even defended him in some interviews biggrin


No absolutely tell the truth but I'm not going to lie to myself and say this book depicts prince in a positive light beacuse it doesn't! None of those things. I listed are positive. This book wasn't a love story at all.
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Strawberrylova123 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

So she should've just don't write the truth about the relationship just to make him look positive? 'come on, that's silly, Prince wasn't the only man to do this kind of crap. And to be honest, I think she made him look more positive than some other dudes, or girls out of his circle. I mean, Prince was known to be controlling and stuff like that. It's not like she wrote something new about his character. She even defended him in some interviews biggrin

No absolutely tell the truth but I'm not going to lie to myself and say this book depicts prince in a positive light beacuse it doesn't! None of those things. I listed are positive. This book wasn't a love story at all. [Edited 9/22/17 20:49pm]

Then you must've been too focused on all the negative stuff. What about the part when he said that she was indeed a Princess? Or when he proposed to her? When they laughed together, what he wrote to her. There are many beautiful things in this book. Damn it, Prince was a human being, had a good side and a bad side, everybody does. Do you only talk about the good things in your relationship?

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Reply #12 posted 09/22/17 9:01pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:



Strawberrylova123 said:


ThatWhiteDude said:


So she should've just don't write the truth about the relationship just to make him look positive? 'come on, that's silly, Prince wasn't the only man to do this kind of crap. And to be honest, I think she made him look more positive than some other dudes, or girls out of his circle. I mean, Prince was known to be controlling and stuff like that. It's not like she wrote something new about his character. She even defended him in some interviews biggrin



No absolutely tell the truth but I'm not going to lie to myself and say this book depicts prince in a positive light beacuse it doesn't! None of those things. I listed are positive. This book wasn't a love story at all. [Edited 9/22/17 20:49pm]

Then you must've been too focused on all the negative stuff. What about the part when he said that she was indeed a Princess? Or when he proposed to her? When they laughed together, what he wrote to her. There are many beautiful things in this book. Damn it, Prince was a human being, had a good side and a bad side, everybody does. Do you only talk about the good things in your relationship?


Yes there are good things and bad things in every relationship but there is such a thing called "levels" there are flawed people and there are people who are extremely flawed. Prince was an extremely flawed person it doesn't take the love i have for him I'm calling it for what it is. The things that prince did to mayte were extremely ugly and i cant defend that kind of behavior nor call it loving, yes there were cute moments in the book like him putting goobers in his popcorn...so??
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Strawberrylova123 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Then you must've been too focused on all the negative stuff. What about the part when he said that she was indeed a Princess? Or when he proposed to her? When they laughed together, what he wrote to her. There are many beautiful things in this book. Damn it, Prince was a human being, had a good side and a bad side, everybody does. Do you only talk about the good things in your relationship?

Yes there are good things and bad things in every relationship but there is such a thing called "levels" there are flawed people and there people who are extremely flawed. Prince was an extremely flawed person it doesn't take the love i have for him I'm calling it for what it is. The things that prince did to mayte were extremely ugly and i cant defend that kind of behavior nor call it loving, yes there were cute moments in the like him putting goobers in his popcorn...so?? [Edited 9/22/17 21:03pm]

So that makes the book not to a pure negative book. It's positive and negative, obviously. And btw, Love isn't always positive and so is her story with Prince.

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Reply #14 posted 09/22/17 9:14pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:



Strawberrylova123 said:


ThatWhiteDude said:


So she should've just don't write the truth about the relationship just to make him look positive? 'come on, that's silly, Prince wasn't the only man to do this kind of crap. And to be honest, I think she made him look more positive than some other dudes, or girls out of his circle. I mean, Prince was known to be controlling and stuff like that. It's not like she wrote something new about his character. She even defended him in some interviews biggrin



No absolutely tell the truth but I'm not going to lie to myself and say this book depicts prince in a positive light beacuse it doesn't! None of those things. I listed are positive. This book wasn't a love story at all. [Edited 9/22/17 20:49pm]

Then you must've been too focused on all the negative stuff. What about the part when he said that she was indeed a Princess? Or when he proposed to her? When they laughed together, what he wrote to her. There are many beautiful things in this book. Damn it, Prince was a human being, had a good side and a bad side, everybody does. Do you only talk about the good things in your relationship?






Interesting that you have Marvin Gaye in your tag line and talk about the beautiful proposal prince had for Mayte...as prince was dating Marvin Gaye's daughter at the same time he was dating Mayte...Nona Gaye thought she and prince were very serious, and was led to believe that prince was going to propose marriage to her...instead he proposed to mayte over the phone, not super classy, and never spoke to Nona about it, also not super classy...but he did say Mayte was "indeed" a princess...at least for a couple years anyway...
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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Then you must've been too focused on all the negative stuff. What about the part when he said that she was indeed a Princess? Or when he proposed to her? When they laughed together, what he wrote to her. There are many beautiful things in this book. Damn it, Prince was a human being, had a good side and a bad side, everybody does. Do you only talk about the good things in your relationship?

Interesting that you have Marvin Gaye in your tag line and talk about the beautiful proposal prince had for Mayte...as prince was dating Marvin Gaye's daughter at the same time he was dating Mayte...Nona Gaye thought she and prince were very serious, and was led to believe that prince was going to propose marriage to her...instead he proposed to mayte over the phone, not super classy, and never spoke to Nona about it, also not super classy...but he did say Mayte was "indeed" a princess...at least for a couple years anyway...

Well yeah, Prince and his women right? lol He definatly showed how to not treat them.

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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:



Strawberrylova123 said:


ThatWhiteDude said:


So she should've just don't write the truth about the relationship just to make him look positive? 'come on, that's silly, Prince wasn't the only man to do this kind of crap. And to be honest, I think she made him look more positive than some other dudes, or girls out of his circle. I mean, Prince was known to be controlling and stuff like that. It's not like she wrote something new about his character. She even defended him in some interviews biggrin



No absolutely tell the truth but I'm not going to lie to myself and say this book depicts prince in a positive light beacuse it doesn't! None of those things. I listed are positive. This book wasn't a love story at all. [Edited 9/22/17 20:49pm]

Then you must've been too focused on all the negative stuff. What about the part when he said that she was indeed a Princess? Or when he proposed to her? When they laughed together, what he wrote to her. There are many beautiful things in this book. Damn it, Prince was a human being, had a good side and a bad side, everybody does. Do you only talk about the good things in your relationship?






Interesting that you have Marvin Gaye in your tag line and talk about the beautiful proposal prince had for Mayte...as prince was dating Marvin Gaye's daughter at the same time he was dating Mayte...Nona Gaye thought she and prince were very serious, and was led to believe that prince was going to propose marriage to her...instead he proposed to mayte over the phone, not super classy, and never spoke to Nona about it, also not super classy...but he did say Mayte was "indeed" a princess...at least for a couple years anyway...

She absolutely did not mention nona at all ...mmmm i wonder biggrin biggrin. Carmen was mentioned though
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Yes there are good things and bad things in every relationship but there is such a thing called "levels" there are flawed people and there are people who are extremely flawed. Prince was an extremely flawed person it doesn't take the love i have for him I'm calling it for what it is. The things that prince did to mayte were extremely ugly and i cant defend that kind of behavior nor call it loving, yes there were cute moments in the book like him putting goobers in his popcorn...so?? [Edited 9/22/17 21:03pm] [Edited 9/22/17 21:03pm] [Edited 9/22/17 21:04pm]

Mayte has forgiven him. I would say that I would have a hard time forgiving what he did,(if it were me) but she seems as if to have a forgiving and positive personality.

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A lot Of His Fans Do Not Like That The Book Was Released So Soon And On The Month Of His Death. And She Is Mocking Him In Many Of The Interviews She Has Done. Talking About Make Up, Stealing Her Clothes, ETC. And By Her Doing That Over And Over And Over Again Is Like She Is Rubbing Salt On A Wound. Many Of His Fans Are Still In Shock That He Died. Many Of His Fans Have Been Following Him Since 1979, That Is A Long Time! I Myself, Have Been A Prince Fan For 31 Years! A lot Of His True Blue/Loyal Fans Do Not Like That Fact That She Is Mocking Him! And Her Comment About "There Were Signs" that he was abusing drugs is not cool. And Let's Just Say He Did For Argument Sake, If You Really/Truly Love A Person, You Keep Certain Things To Yourself. Especially Knowing That He Was A Private Person!
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Dalia11 said:

A lot Of His Fans Do Not Like That The Book Was Released So Soon And On The Month Of His Death. And She Is Mocking Him In Many Of The Interviews She Has Done. Talking About Make Up, Stealing Her Clothes, ETC. And By Her Doing That Over And Over And Over Again Is Like She Is Rubbing Salt On A Wound. Many Of His Fans Are Still In Shock That He Died. Many Of His Fans Have Been Following Him Since 1979, That Is A Long Time! I Myself, Have Been A Prince Fan For 31 Years! A lot Of His True Blue/Loyal Fans Do Not Like That Fact That She Is Mocking Him! And Her Comment About "There Were Signs" that he was abusing drugs is not cool. And Let's Just Say He Did For Argument Sake, If You Really/Truly Love A Person, You Keep Certain Things To Yourself. Especially Knowing That He Was A Private Person!



Yeah, that's all true. The so-called "love story" lol

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Reply #21 posted 09/23/17 5:20am

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Maybe, he was also an extremely troubled man as well.

Strawberrylova123 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Then you must've been too focused on all the negative stuff. What about the part when he said that she was indeed a Princess? Or when he proposed to her? When they laughed together, what he wrote to her. There are many beautiful things in this book. Damn it, Prince was a human being, had a good side and a bad side, everybody does. Do you only talk about the good things in your relationship?

Yes there are good things and bad things in every relationship but there is such a thing called "levels" there are flawed people and there are people who are extremely flawed. Prince was an extremely flawed person it doesn't take the love i have for him I'm calling it for what it is. The things that prince did to mayte were extremely ugly and i cant defend that kind of behavior nor call it loving, yes there were cute moments in the book like him putting goobers in his popcorn...so?? [Edited 9/22/17 21:03pm] [Edited 9/22/17 21:03pm] [Edited 9/22/17 21:04pm]

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See, the issue is that people don't buy that she has forgiven him. They also don't buy that this is as positive as she makes it out. Why does she forgive him? What makes him so forgivable? (She seems to imply that its her own innate good will ...if that's the case, then the book is not a love story, but a pat on the back about her ability to forgive folks. "I Will Survive" by Mayte Garcia.)

In her defense, maybe she has to present herself that way because of the way women are expected to be perfect (especially pretty white women) in our society. Think about the Hollywood Ex's show, she has moments in that show in which she is a total diva and the other women basically react with statements about her not being all sweetness and light like she makes it out. At times, she even seems to be trying to be as tough as they were. I think they thought of her as passive aggressive. I know people like her. My mother, for example, is wonderful in many ways, but she has a passive aggressive streak a mile wild. I consider myself a feminist but I think we will only truely be considered equal when we can admit our less than perfect qualities and still be respected as individuals. There is tendency in our society to expect women to be perfect and loving or else be pegged as opportunists or bitches or sluts. To be pigeonholed as prostitutes for taking opportunities that men do all the time. I would like once to hear one of Prince's "girls" be comfortable enough with themselves to state that "yes, I used him for his status, fame, and money. Yes, I am an opportunist to some extent because my career means a lot to me and its a tough business. Yes, I knew this man was a womanizer the minute I met him (even a 16 year old knows when a boyfriend has got numerous girlfrinds.) But yes, I enjoyed this man's company and was completely infatuated with him and I do believe for a while that I loved him and thought I could help him settle down." Perhaps, this is what threw Prince off. He thought her perfection (becaause of her youth) was geniune and her loyalty was forever. (plus--Who doesn't want perfect loyal spouses?--Women are just as guilty of wanting spouses who support them, agree with them and do what they want as men are). When shit hit in the fan in their lives, her human nature eventually came out (her more intense feelings, her independence, the opinions she submerged.) and it threw him for a loop. It might have scared the crap out of him and made him feel used.


Honest depictions of her and her family's complicity in how things went down from Mayte would have a more fair balance. There is no way in hell she didn't get some perks from being married to Prince (materialistically while they were married, in Hollywood connections after they parted [was she going to meet people like Tommy Lee as a belly dancer in Egypt?]. Its not that I think she is necessarily lying about Prince (although she is inconsistent at times about what she has said in interviews and what she said in her book). Its that I am not sure she is willing to admit her complicated motives. For example, let's say she did cheat on Prince with that Cortez dude, wouldn't it have been much more balanced to admit it (and explain that it was because of Prince's behavior that she did it.) Now, she may not have cheated but she doesn't even address the rumors.

This book would have been a heartbreaking cautionary tale had she released with a different title and not in such an opportunitist way. It might have actually helped the living Prince see some of the errors of his ways and helped women admit their complicity in dysfunctional, delusional relationships. It might have showed how women can feel obligated by family and society to put on airs. Instead it resembles a rope-a-dope, unfairly slanted , and seems exploitative of his death. Did she intend for this to happen? I don't know. Was she trying to sanctify herself or was she trying to depict her devotion to him despite his troubled nature and her mixed feelings? The latter starts to seem less likely considering how she released this book, titled it, and promoted it.

Disclaimer--Mayte joking about Prince's height, clothes, etc never bothered me. I think she was talking affectionately and jokingly about things like his stealing her clothes and probably didn't think people would over-react to that shit.

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Strawberrylova123 said:

Yes there are good things and bad things in every relationship but there is such a thing called "levels" there are flawed people and there are people who are extremely flawed. Prince was an extremely flawed person it doesn't take the love i have for him I'm calling it for what it is. The things that prince did to mayte were extremely ugly and i cant defend that kind of behavior nor call it loving, yes there were cute moments in the book like him putting goobers in his popcorn...so?? [Edited 9/22/17 21:03pm] [Edited 9/22/17 21:03pm] [Edited 9/22/17 21:04pm]

Mayte has forgiven him. I would say that I would have a hard time forgiving what he did,(if it were me) but she seems as if to have a forgiving and positive personality.

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To answer your question, I think it's nothing but jealousy. Prince married Mayte, she had his child and spent several with him in very close contact. Mayte wasn't just someone he was sleeping with, say like Jill Jones amd many others. Fans don't seem to like the fact that he married Mayte or that she had his child, although, it was a tragic, sad time for them. Pure jealousy IMO.
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Bullshit.

Empress said:

To answer your question, I think it's nothing but jealousy. Prince married Mayte, she had his child and spent several with him in very close contact. Mayte wasn't just someone he was sleeping with, say like Jill Jones amd many others. Fans don't seem to like the fact that he married Mayte or that she had his child, although, it was a tragic, sad time for them. Pure jealousy IMO.

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purplerabbithole said:

See, the issue is that people don't buy that she has forgiven him. They also don't buy that this is as positive as she makes it out. Why does she forgive him? What makes him so forgivable? (She seems to imply that its her own innate good will ...if that's the case, then the book is not a love story, but a pat on the back about her ability to forgive folks. "I Will Survive" by Mayte Garcia.)


In her defense, maybe she has to present herself that way because of the way women are expected to be perfect (especially pretty white women) in our society. Think about the Hollywood Ex's show, she has moments in that show in which she is a total diva and the other women basically react with statements about her not being all sweetness and light like she makes it out. At times, she even seems to be trying to be as tough as they were. I think they thought of her as passive aggressive. I know people like her. My mother, for example, is wonderful in many ways, but she has a passive aggressive streak a mile wild. I consider myself a feminist but I think we will only truely be considered equal when we can admit our less than perfect qualities and still be respected as individuals. There is tendency in our society to expect women to be perfect and loving or else be pegged as opportunists or bitches or sluts. To be pigeonholed as prostitutes for taking opportunities that men do all the time. I would like once to hear one of Prince's "girls" be comfortable enough with themselves to state that "yes, I used him for his status, fame, and money. Yes, I am an opportunist to some extent because my career means a lot to me and its a tough business. Yes, I knew this man was a womanizer the minute I met him (even a 16 year old knows when a boyfriend has got numerous girlfrinds.) But yes, I enjoyed this man's company and was completely infatuated with him and I do believe for a while that I loved him and thought I could help him settle down." Perhaps, this is what threw Prince off. He thought her perfection (becaause of her youth) was geniune and her loyalty was forever. (plus--Who doesn't want perfect loyal spouses?--Women are just as guilty of wanting spouses who support them, agree with them and do what they want as men are). When shit hit in the fan in their lives, her human nature eventually came out (her more intense feelings, her independence, the opinions she submerged.) and it threw him for a loop. It might have scared the crap out of him and made him feel used.



Honest depictions of her and her family's complicity in how things went down from Mayte would have a more fair balance. There is no way in hell she didn't get some perks from being married to Prince (materialistically while they were married, in Hollywood connections after they parted [was she going to meet people like Tommy Lee as a belly dancer in Egypt?]. Its not that I think she is necessarily lying about Prince (although she is inconsistent at times about what she has said in interviews and what she said in her book). Its that I am not sure she is willing to admit her complicated motives. For example, let's say she did cheat on Prince with that Cortez dude, wouldn't it have been much more balanced to admit it (and explain that it was because of Prince's behavior that she did it.) Now, she may not have cheated but she doesn't even address the rumors.



This book would have been a heartbreaking cautionary tale had she released with a different title and not in such an opportunitist way. It might have actually helped the living Prince see some of the errors of his ways and helped women admit their complicity in dysfunctional, delusional relationships. It might have showed how women can feel obligated by family and society to put on airs. Instead it resembles a rope-a-dope, unfairly slanted , and seems exploitative of his death. Did she intend for this to happen? I don't know. Was she trying to sanctify herself or was she trying to depict her devotion to him despite his troubled nature and her mixed feelings? The latter starts to seem less likely considering how she released this book, titled it, and promoted it.



Disclaimer--Mayte joking about Prince's height, clothes, etc never bothered me. I think she was talking affectionately and jokingly about things like his stealing her clothes and probably didn't think people would over-react to that shit.







PennyPurple said:




Strawberrylova123 said:


Yes there are good things and bad things in every relationship but there is such a thing called "levels" there are flawed people and there are people who are extremely flawed. Prince was an extremely flawed person it doesn't take the love i have for him I'm calling it for what it is. The things that prince did to mayte were extremely ugly and i cant defend that kind of behavior nor call it loving, yes there were cute moments in the book like him putting goobers in his popcorn...so?? [Edited 9/22/17 21:03pm] [Edited 9/22/17 21:03pm] [Edited 9/22/17 21:04pm]

Mayte has forgiven him. I would say that I would have a hard time forgiving what he did,(if it were me) but she seems as if to have a forgiving and positive personality.





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She did not need to forgive him, because no matter what he did to her, she loved him and she showed us through her own words that, literally there was no horrible degrading, humiliating thing that he could do to her that she did not accept. After all the over the top bad bad bad stuff he did, she did not want to leave, she did not want a better more dignified relationship, on the contrary she was devastated when he finally left... so when you are begging to stay with someone it is obvious that you are good with what has gone on, and look forward to a similar future...and she still pines for the good old days...forgiveness not necessary...
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Reply #26 posted 09/23/17 7:41am

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What you said is exactly why people don't trust her-- because she would have so easily taken him back even years later. LIke I said, if she admitted some of her motives, then maybe her apparent forgiveness of his flaws wouldn't seem so one-sided or dishonest.

Does anyone ever think that P's dumping her and cutting her off was his way of saying "Move on and build a life without me because we were a delusion that went awry"He might have loved her at one point or even felt some affection and guilt later, but knew their relationship was a delusional disaster. Considering the way she described the off and on again relationship of her parents, P might have thought that any ties to this woman would keep her coming back for more/ keep her thinking that there was hope. So, the few times he called her, he kept it short and let her known he moved on. Unfortunately, he might have run right back into another delusion of his own--JW's clan (but that's Prince for you.)

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Dalia11 said:

A lot Of His Fans Do Not Like That The Book Was Released So Soon And On The Month Of His Death. And She Is Mocking Him In Many Of The Interviews She Has Done. Talking About Make Up, Stealing Her Clothes, ETC. And By Her Doing That Over And Over And Over Again Is Like She Is Rubbing Salt On A Wound. Many Of His Fans Are Still In Shock That He Died. Many Of His Fans Have Been Following Him Since 1979, That Is A Long Time! I Myself, Have Been A Prince Fan For 31 Years! A lot Of His True Blue/Loyal Fans Do Not Like That Fact That She Is Mocking Him! And Her Comment About "There Were Signs" that he was abusing drugs is not cool. And Let's Just Say He Did For Argument Sake, If You Really/Truly Love A Person, You Keep Certain Things To Yourself. Especially Knowing That He Was A Private Person!

Then his fans should have a problem with every book that was/is written about him. The interviews that I've seen her give, wasn't mocking him she was very respectful.


We as fans are fickle, we want the family to open up and tell us what happened, and why he died, we want the associates to stop talking in riddles and just spit it out, and yet comments are made that "you just keep certain things to yourself. " Maybe if people were more open Prince would still be here.

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I think some of her "haters' have valid points, but they go too far and come off as jealous, knee jerk reactionists and irrational. Getting upset about her joking about Prince is stupid. Being hurt about how she releases the book, i think, is a reasonable reaction. From my point of view, justice for Prince's death is not the same thing as exposing his genetic adnormalities Everyone knows he died from drugs already.

As for honesty and disclosure where Prince was concerned, they should have done that to his face. It can be done diplomatically. But sometimes, you have put your job at risk and just be honest like when Morris Hays asked to talk to Prince after a particularly tense rehearsal and asked him if he was okay and if drugs were involved (around 1995) and P said no and that he needed a vacation. He subsequently took a vacation and hays remained an employee for quite a few years.

PennyPurple said:

Dalia11 said:

A lot Of His Fans Do Not Like That The Book Was Released So Soon And On The Month Of His Death. And She Is Mocking Him In Many Of The Interviews She Has Done. Talking About Make Up, Stealing Her Clothes, ETC. And By Her Doing That Over And Over And Over Again Is Like She Is Rubbing Salt On A Wound. Many Of His Fans Are Still In Shock That He Died. Many Of His Fans Have Been Following Him Since 1979, That Is A Long Time! I Myself, Have Been A Prince Fan For 31 Years! A lot Of His True Blue/Loyal Fans Do Not Like That Fact That She Is Mocking Him! And Her Comment About "There Were Signs" that he was abusing drugs is not cool. And Let's Just Say He Did For Argument Sake, If You Really/Truly Love A Person, You Keep Certain Things To Yourself. Especially Knowing That He Was A Private Person!

Then his fans should have a problem with every book that was/is written about him. The interviews that I've seen her give, wasn't mocking him she was very respectful.


We as fans are fickle, we want the family to open up and tell us what happened, and why he died, we want the associates to stop talking in riddles and just spit it out, and yet comments are made that "you just keep certain things to yourself. " Maybe if people were more open Prince would still be here.

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Reply #29 posted 09/23/17 8:14am

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purplerabbithole said:

I think some of her "haters' have valid points, but they go too far and come off as jealous, knee jerk reactionists and irrational. Getting upset about her joking about Prince is stupid. Being hurt about how she releases the book, i think, is a reasonable reaction.

The Publisher set the date up for release, If she had a say in the release date, then she should've told them not to release it then. Personally I would've released it several months AFTER April. The date of the release doesn't really bother me, although I understand why it seems to be still raw with others.

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