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Reply #60 posted 08/06/17 6:08pm

GaryMF

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donnyenglish said:

In 30 years, Prince never invited the Revolution to record or play live at Paisley Park. Now, they want to have a say with the releases? And the lies that Wendy wrote the opening of Purple Rain when she could barely play the guitar at the time and Fink wrote the iconic woo woo woo woo at the end of Purple Rain is offensive. The Revolution era was a cool period. Like all other eras it had good aspects and bad. My opinion is they were a good image band but was his most robotic and stiff band by far. Stop overstating your influence. Stay in your lane.

You guys are sad and pathetic.

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Did you even read the article? She is respecful.

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‘Wait!’ Because there are certain songs Prince would not want to be released, and others that weren’t exactly finished or they would need to be mixed properly, you know. We feel really precious about that, but it’s really not up to us. We just want to put it out there that we’d be willing to be Prince’s brain for those kinds of decisions."

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Y'all claim to want to respect Prince's wishes .... which is exaclty what she's talkig about! And she and the Rev know a LOT MORE about what he would've wanted than ANYONE ON THIS message board!!
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ANd re: Wonderful Ass Believe it or not, the musicians themselves do not obsess over every little detail the way the fans do!!!!! 1) they probably don't remember as clearly and 2) don't really care!
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Lisa is probably just remembering it wrong or just never knew the truth and is wrong. Big deal.
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Denise is dead (RIP) and she probably didn't care either. So you all need to take a huge chill pill and stop attackig folks who you are in no positiong to be judging.
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Reply #61 posted 08/06/17 7:19pm

Vashtix

GaryMF said:

donnyenglish said:

In 30 years, Prince never invited the Revolution to record or play live at Paisley Park. Now, they want to have a say with the releases? And the lies that Wendy wrote the opening of Purple Rain when she could barely play the guitar at the time and Fink wrote the iconic woo woo woo woo at the end of Purple Rain is offensive. The Revolution era was a cool period. Like all other eras it had good aspects and bad. My opinion is they were a good image band but was his most robotic and stiff band by far. Stop overstating your influence. Stay in your lane.

You guys are sad and pathetic.

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Did you even read the article? She is respecful.

.

.

‘Wait!’ Because there are certain songs Prince would not want to be released, and others that weren’t exactly finished or they would need to be mixed properly, you know. We feel really precious about that, but it’s really not up to us. We just want to put it out there that we’d be willing to be Prince’s brain for those kinds of decisions."

.
.
Y'all claim to want to respect Prince's wishes .... which is exaclty what she's talkig about! And she and the Rev know a LOT MORE about what he would've wanted than ANYONE ON THIS message board!!
.
.
ANd re: Wonderful Ass Believe it or not, the musicians themselves do not obsess over every little detail the way the fans do!!!!! 1) they probably don't remember as clearly and 2) don't really care!
.
.
Lisa is probably just remembering it wrong or just never knew the truth and is wrong. Big deal.
.
.
Denise is dead (RIP) and she probably didn't care either. So you all need to take a huge chill pill and stop attackig folks who you are in no positiong to be judging.

Denise is gone and that is why it is important to validate what is to be validated about her time and influence . This is not about anyone specifically anymore. This is about posterity.

The truth needs to be told and none of us should take lightly how things are to be remembered for future generations to come.

.

It may seem like nothing to us but once the current generations pass on Vanity/Denise should be noted for whatever part she played be it V6 , Wonderful Ass and (inspiration). It does matter.

[Edited 8/6/17 20:53pm]

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Reply #62 posted 08/07/17 4:21am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

donnyenglish said:

In 30 years, Prince never invited the Revolution to record or play live at Paisley Park. Now, they want to have a say with the releases? And the lies that Wendy wrote the opening of Purple Rain when she could barely play the guitar at the time and Fink wrote the iconic woo woo woo woo at the end of Purple Rain is offensive. The Revolution era was a cool period. Like all other eras it had good aspects and bad. My opinion is they were a good image band but was his most robotic and stiff band by far. Stop overstating your influence. Stay in your lane.

Yes he did. In 1999

But what does that have to do with having a say in music released when she / they were with Prince?
That is a no brainer. Joshua Welton can work on stuff from the PR Deluxe? But not Lisa Coleman? LOL come on.
It should be that way with the various NPG formations and 3rd Eye Girl

Agree.

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Reply #63 posted 08/07/17 6:54am

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GaryMF said:

donnyenglish said:

In 30 years, Prince never invited the Revolution to record or play live at Paisley Park. Now, they want to have a say with the releases? And the lies that Wendy wrote the opening of Purple Rain when she could barely play the guitar at the time and Fink wrote the iconic woo woo woo woo at the end of Purple Rain is offensive. The Revolution era was a cool period. Like all other eras it had good aspects and bad. My opinion is they were a good image band but was his most robotic and stiff band by far. Stop overstating your influence. Stay in your lane.

You guys are sad and pathetic.

.

Did you even read the article? She is respecful.

.

.

‘Wait!’ Because there are certain songs Prince would not want to be released, and others that weren’t exactly finished or they would need to be mixed properly, you know. We feel really precious about that, but it’s really not up to us. We just want to put it out there that we’d be willing to be Prince’s brain for those kinds of decisions."

.
.
Y'all claim to want to respect Prince's wishes .... which is exaclty what she's talkig about! And she and the Rev know a LOT MORE about what he would've wanted than ANYONE ON THIS message board!!
.
.
ANd re: Wonderful Ass Believe it or not, the musicians themselves do not obsess over every little detail the way the fans do!!!!! 1) they probably don't remember as clearly and 2) don't really care!
.
.
Lisa is probably just remembering it wrong or just never knew the truth and is wrong. Big deal.
.
.
Denise is dead (RIP) and she probably didn't care either. So you all need to take a huge chill pill and stop attackig folks who you are in no positiong to be judging.

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Reply #64 posted 08/07/17 1:21pm

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Vashtix said:

GaryMF said:

You guys are sad and pathetic.

.

Did you even read the article? She is respecful.

.

.

‘Wait!’ Because there are certain songs Prince would not want to be released, and others that weren’t exactly finished or they would need to be mixed properly, you know. We feel really precious about that, but it’s really not up to us. We just want to put it out there that we’d be willing to be Prince’s brain for those kinds of decisions."

.
.
Y'all claim to want to respect Prince's wishes .... which is exaclty what she's talkig about! And she and the Rev know a LOT MORE about what he would've wanted than ANYONE ON THIS message board!!
.
.
ANd re: Wonderful Ass Believe it or not, the musicians themselves do not obsess over every little detail the way the fans do!!!!! 1) they probably don't remember as clearly and 2) don't really care!
.
.
Lisa is probably just remembering it wrong or just never knew the truth and is wrong. Big deal.
.
.
Denise is dead (RIP) and she probably didn't care either. So you all need to take a huge chill pill and stop attackig folks who you are in no positiong to be judging.

Denise is gone and that is why it is important to validate what is to be validated about her time and influence . This is not about anyone specifically anymore. This is about posterity.

The truth needs to be told and none of us should take lightly how things are to be remembered for future generations to come.

.

It may seem like nothing to us but once the current generations pass on Vanity/Denise should be noted for whatever part she played be it V6 , Wonderful Ass and (inspiration). It does matter.

[Edited 8/6/17 20:53pm]

Thanks Vashtix for making this important point. I don't mean to be a killjoy here on the amazing Org. but, IMO, being a fan or fam means more than collecting every scrap of music, every photo, program, t-shirt, etc...it means honoring, acknowledging and rememberig Prince with the precision, attention-to-detail and passion he brought to his own work. We, to a large degree, are the keepers of the flame. If we fail in this responsibility, Prince's life and times and art will be re-told by those who do not love and miss him as much. There are no 'alternative facts.'

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Reply #65 posted 08/07/17 2:14pm

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The most important thing is that we clarify exactly who does and doesn't have a Wonderful Ass, we can't be making mistakes about this kind of thing hammer
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Reply #66 posted 08/07/17 2:34pm

Zannaloaf

donnyenglish said:

I do think ex band members/associates are good sources of knowledge. But we saw first hand that involving them does not always result in the best product with PR Rain Deluxe being a prime example. My main issue with the article is the clear agenda by some members of the Revolution to overstate their contributions. Prince quickly put people in their place while he was alive but now that he is gone they want to talk. I will always defend Prince's name. [Edited 8/6/17 5:54am]

Who put you in charge? Did you have a special fantasy realtionship we dont know about?

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Reply #67 posted 08/07/17 2:36pm

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purplegirl00 said:

donnyenglish said:

I do think ex band members/associates are good sources of knowledge. But we saw first hand that involving them does not always result in the best product with PR Rain Deluxe being a prime example. My main issue with the article is the clear agenda by some members of the Revolution to overstate their contributions. Prince quickly put people in their place while he was alive but now that he is gone they want to talk. I will always defend Prince's name. [Edited 8/6/17 5:54am]

Prince was swift in putting these people on notice and throwing the lawyers when lips started flapping. Now it's up to us, the fans to call out them out on the wrongs.

Except you have no actual clue bcasue you WERE NOT THERE as much as you'd like to have been. What is it with people who had no clue then (or association) acting like they have one now?

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Reply #68 posted 08/07/17 3:34pm

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For the period in which they composed, recorded, rehearsed and performed with him, having imput on that era of material makes absolute sense to me. There have been so many boots flooding all over the place, a lot of them sound such a hot mess -from a tech and musicial perspective, for me it would be a relief to know the music was in CAPABLE hands people who were actual co-creators of the soundscape from that era. Unless you've ever performed or been part of a band dynamic, it's difficult to explain just how much a band is a unit that moves and communicates in sync through the music they compose, learn, record and perfor together. It's an interdependent, (technically) conversational process that enables you understand how each other's brain works, what moves the people involved, their strengths, their weaknesses, their preferences, their favorite things insofar as musical aesthetic, their go-to bag of musical tricks, etc. Some Johnny-Come-Lately Music Suit or random Leagle Eagle appointee for the estate is not necessarily equipped to do the musically archeological digging, curating, nor restoration required to polish up a lot of this material and present to the public. There's simply a level of technical and musical discernment the Revolution, as a band, will possess by virtue of the depth of their experience with Prince that would make their inclusion in vault release plans a no-brainier for me.
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Reply #69 posted 08/07/17 4:50pm

purplegirl00

Zannaloaf said:

purplegirl00 said:

Prince was swift in putting these people on notice and throwing the lawyers when lips started flapping. Now it's up to us, the fans to call out them out on the wrongs.

Except you have no actual clue bcasue you WERE NOT THERE as much as you'd like to have been. What is it with people who had no clue then (or association) acting like they have one now?

You're right I was not there and I do not know that much. lol Here are Wendy and Lisa in 2010 mentioning a letter from Prince's lawyer telling them to basically STFU. "stop talking about me" like Lisa mocks. Straight from her mouth, I can't make this stuff up.

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Reply #70 posted 08/07/17 5:15pm

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purplegirl00 said:

Zannaloaf said:

Except you have no actual clue bcasue you WERE NOT THERE as much as you'd like to have been. What is it with people who had no clue then (or association) acting like they have one now?

You're right I was not there and I do not know that much. lol Here are Wendy and Lisa in 2010 mentioning a letter from Prince's lawyer telling them to basically STFU. "stop talking about me" like Lisa mocks. Straight from her mouth, I can't make this stuff up.

Naw he was just uncomfortable with the 'fancy lesbian' comment

He didn't care if they talked about him

He was still visiting them at their studio in Cali and talking to both of them about their children after that

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Reply #71 posted 08/07/17 5:16pm

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Ottensen said:

For the period in which they composed, recorded, rehearsed and performed with him, having imput on that era of material makes absolute sense to me. There have been so many boots flooding all over the place, a lot of them sound such a hot mess -from a tech and musicial perspective, for me it would be a relief to know the music was in CAPABLE hands people who were actual co-creators of the soundscape from that era. Unless you've ever performed or been part of a band dynamic, it's difficult to explain just how much a band is a unit that moves and communicates in sync through the music they compose, learn, record and perfor together. It's an interdependent, (technically) conversational process that enables you understand how each other's brain works, what moves the people involved, their strengths, their weaknesses, their preferences, their favorite things insofar as musical aesthetic, their go-to bag of musical tricks, etc. Some Johnny-Come-Lately Music Suit or random Leagle Eagle appointee for the estate is not necessarily equipped to do the musically archeological digging, curating, nor restoration required to polish up a lot of this material and present to the public. There's simply a level of technical and musical discernment the Revolution, as a band, will possess by virtue of the depth of their experience with Prince that would make their inclusion in vault release plans a no-brainier for me.

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Reply #72 posted 08/07/17 5:21pm

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

Vashtix said:

Denise is gone and that is why it is important to validate what is to be validated about her time and influence . This is not about anyone specifically anymore. This is about posterity.

The truth needs to be told and none of us should take lightly how things are to be remembered for future generations to come.

.

It may seem like nothing to us but once the current generations pass on Vanity/Denise should be noted for whatever part she played be it V6 , Wonderful Ass and (inspiration). It does matter.

[Edited 8/6/17 20:53pm]

Thanks Vashtix for making this important point. I don't mean to be a killjoy here on the amazing Org. but, IMO, being a fan or fam means more than collecting every scrap of music, every photo, program, t-shirt, etc...it means honoring, acknowledging and rememberig Prince with the precision, attention-to-detail and passion he brought to his own work. We, to a large degree, are the keepers of the flame. If we fail in this responsibility, Prince's life and times and art will be re-told by those who do not love and miss him as much. There are no 'alternative facts.'

clapping It's the fans who were blessed to walk the planet as the same time as Prince and witness his genius in real time, that are going to pass down his art to future generations. How we remember and the recording of facts are important right now for just that reason.

I'm sure Wendy and Susannah have wonderful asses too lol , but if this song was inspired by/gifted to Vanity for hers (and her personality) noted by several in Prince's camp as such, then that's what needs to be told. There's no wishy washy in between anything. It is what it is and should be noted into Prince's history.

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Reply #73 posted 08/07/17 5:55pm

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Good point. Our posts on this site will probably be looked to hundreds of years from now when someone is researching Prince. The last thing we want is for them to misrepresent some of these facts. None of us has all of the answers, but it is easy to see when someone has an agenda. The previous poster that went from Wendy wrote the opening to Purple Rain to she "influenced" it because she hung around the band for a long time is dangerous dialogue. We have a duty to memorialize Prince's story as accurately as possible and call out those who do not.
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Reply #74 posted 08/07/17 6:07pm

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donnyenglish said:

Good point. Our posts on this site will probably be looked to hundreds of years from now when someone is researching Prince. The last thing we want is for them to misrepresent some of these facts. None of us has all of the answers, but it is easy to see when someone has an agenda. The previous poster that went from Wendy wrote the opening to Purple Rain to she "influenced" it because she hung around the band for a long time is dangerous dialogue. We have a duty to memorialize Prince's story as accurately as possible and call out those who do not.

How can you tell someone has an agenda outside of your mind being biased to a person or an opinion?

It is not new news that Wendy created the opening chords for Purple Rain.


See you show your danger in twisting words.

No one said she wrote/influenced it because she hung around the band for a long time.
by the end of 1999 Wendy Melvoin was already asked to be in Prince's band because Dez was leaving for religious convictions etc.

You have a duty to be serious.

MELVOIN [For the title song] Prince came in with the melody and the words and an idea of what the verses were like. I came up with the opening chords, and everybody started playing their parts.

BOBBY Z. My first reaction was, “Wow, this is almost a country song.” It had a different feel than anything we’d been rehearsing for the rest of the album. I realize now it was probably, in his mind, the centerpiece of the story. But that’s Prince — his ability to thread the needle, so to speak.

BLINN The first time you hear that song, you realize that this person who’s built like a jockey and speaks barely above a whisper can just knock something out of the park.

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Reply #75 posted 08/07/17 6:08pm

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purplegirl00 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Thanks Vashtix for making this important point. I don't mean to be a killjoy here on the amazing Org. but, IMO, being a fan or fam means more than collecting every scrap of music, every photo, program, t-shirt, etc...it means honoring, acknowledging and rememberig Prince with the precision, attention-to-detail and passion he brought to his own work. We, to a large degree, are the keepers of the flame. If we fail in this responsibility, Prince's life and times and art will be re-told by those who do not love and miss him as much. There are no 'alternative facts.'

clapping It's the fans who were blessed to walk the planet as the same time as Prince and witness his genius in real time, that are going to pass down his art to future generations. How we remember and the recording of facts are important right now for just that reason.

I'm sure Wendy and Susannah have wonderful asses too lol , but if this song was inspired by/gifted to Vanity for hers (and her personality) noted by several in Prince's camp as such, then that's what needs to be told. There's no wishy washy in between anything. It is what it is and should be noted into Prince's history.

And this would still be Denise Matthews response to Wonderful Ass

CHRISTINE HARRIS (secretary to Pure Heart Ministries and Denise Matthews) Being that Denise did not appear in Purple Rain, she would not have anything to add to your story. God bless.

But why are we still arguing about Wonderful Ass?

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Reply #76 posted 08/07/17 6:52pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

purplegirl00 said:

clapping It's the fans who were blessed to walk the planet as the same time as Prince and witness his genius in real time, that are going to pass down his art to future generations. How we remember and the recording of facts are important right now for just that reason.

I'm sure Wendy and Susannah have wonderful asses too lol , but if this song was inspired by/gifted to Vanity for hers (and her personality) noted by several in Prince's camp as such, then that's what needs to be told. There's no wishy washy in between anything. It is what it is and should be noted into Prince's history.

And this would still be Denise Matthews response to Wonderful Ass

CHRISTINE HARRIS (secretary to Pure Heart Ministries and Denise Matthews) Being that Denise did not appear in Purple Rain, she would not have anything to add to your story. God bless.

But why are we still arguing about Wonderful Ass?

Exactly, who's arguing? confuse Cause I'm not. And you're right- Denise wouldn't care one lick about this. It's not about what she would think, it's about how this gets told in Prince's history. Prince wrote the song, if she inspired/ he gifted, that's what needs to be told in the context of facts and history. That's the point here.

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Reply #77 posted 08/07/17 6:57pm

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donnyenglish said:


Good point. Our posts on this site will probably be looked to hundreds of years from now when someone is researching Prince. The last thing we want is for them to misrepresent some of these facts. None of us has all of the answers, but it is easy to see when someone has an agenda. The previous poster that went from Wendy wrote the opening to Purple Rain to she "influenced" it because she hung around the band for a long time is dangerous dialogue. We have a duty to memorialize Prince's story as accurately as possible and call out those who do not.


How can you tell someone has an agenda outside of your mind being biased to a person or an opinion?



It is not new news that Wendy created the opening chords for Purple Rain.



See you show your danger in twisting words.


No one said she wrote/influenced it because she hung around the band for a long time.
by the end of 1999 Wendy Melvoin was already asked to be in Prince's band because Dez was leaving for religious convictions etc.



You have a duty to be serious.



MELVOIN [For the title song] Prince came in with the melody and the words and an idea of what the verses were like. I came up with the opening chords, and everybody started playing their parts.


BOBBY Z. My first reaction was, “Wow, this is almost a country song.” It had a different feel than anything we’d been rehearsing for the rest of the album. I realize now it was probably, in his mind, the centerpiece of the story. But that’s Prince — his ability to thread the needle, so to speak.


BLINN The first time you hear that song, you realize that this person who’s built like a jockey and speaks barely above a whisper can just knock something out of the park.




Yea right. If she wrote it then why couldn't she play it live on Aug 3 1983 when it was recorded? Prince re-recorded the intro because she couldn't play it. It is no slight against Wendy. She was a good band member, but was just learning the instrument. It is a huge stretch to suggest that she somehow taught Prince something about the guitar at that stage in her career.
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Reply #78 posted 08/07/17 7:28pm

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Yea right. If she wrote it then why couldn't she play it live on Aug 3 1983 when it was recorded? Prince re-recorded the intro because she couldn't play it. It is no slight against Wendy. She was a good band member, but was just learning the instrument. It is a huge stretch to suggest that she somehow taught Prince something about the guitar at that stage in her career.

Where did you hear that? I've seen the video from that show ... and what's on the record in terms of intro sounds exactly like what she's playing, to me. He re-recorded parts of the solo, cut a verse, and added a screaming crowd, but it doesn't sound like he edited her guitar part.

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purplegirl00 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

And this would still be Denise Matthews response to Wonderful Ass

CHRISTINE HARRIS (secretary to Pure Heart Ministries and Denise Matthews) Being that Denise did not appear in Purple Rain, she would not have anything to add to your story. God bless.

But why are we still arguing about Wonderful Ass?

Exactly, who's arguing? confuse Cause I'm not. And you're right- Denise wouldn't care one lick about this. It's not about what she would think, it's about how this gets told in Prince's history. Prince wrote the song, if she inspired/ he gifted, that's what needs to be told in the context of facts and history. That's the point here.

this has been talked about extensively in another thread that is probably still open.
Why does the thread have to be about Wonderful Ass, again.

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donnyenglish said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

How can you tell someone has an agenda outside of your mind being biased to a person or an opinion?

It is not new news that Wendy created the opening chords for Purple Rain.


See you show your danger in twisting words.

No one said she wrote/influenced it because she hung around the band for a long time.
by the end of 1999 Wendy Melvoin was already asked to be in Prince's band because Dez was leaving for religious convictions etc.

You have a duty to be serious.

MELVOIN [For the title song] Prince came in with the melody and the words and an idea of what the verses were like. I came up with the opening chords, and everybody started playing their parts.

BOBBY Z. My first reaction was, “Wow, this is almost a country song.” It had a different feel than anything we’d been rehearsing for the rest of the album. I realize now it was probably, in his mind, the centerpiece of the story. But that’s Prince — his ability to thread the needle, so to speak.

BLINN The first time you hear that song, you realize that this person who’s built like a jockey and speaks barely above a whisper can just knock something out of the park.

Yea right. If she wrote it then why couldn't she play it live on Aug 3 1983 when it was recorded? Prince re-recorded the intro because she couldn't play it. It is no slight against Wendy. She was a good band member, but was just learning the instrument. It is a huge stretch to suggest that she somehow taught Prince something about the guitar at that stage in her career.

She did play it live.

They went back and did work on the song in the studio.

Dude, you are talking about a guitarist, who's first live performance is the Dance Benefit show, the excitement, the nerves, the extreme heat

Why is it so hard to believe that in the company of the band in the warehouse that she didn't come up with the line? Is it no different from Lisa & Wendy composing the strings at the end?

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Reply #81 posted 08/07/17 10:17pm

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Of course they should be consulted about the songs. They were the people who were in the studio with him during that. Any album that contains their work should have their input. Obviously the producer of the album would have the final say, but to not reach out to anyone who worked on the album seems to be short sited.

Prince gave each of the members of The Revolution a percentage of the profit from his work with them. He knew that they were a valuable part of the process and because many of the tracks he recorded were based on jams with the band, they have earned the right to be consulted on future releases. They were vital in the recording of many of his songs. Not every track involved them, but many of them did.

I wish that they'd been asked about the outtakes on the Purple Rain re-release. I'd love to hear what they recall about those tracks.

For any future release, I think it would benefit WB to have the band/singers/engineers comment about the songs and I'd give weight to their comments about Prince's thoughts about the music. They were there for that and knew the situation in a way that no one else would. I'd also consult any managers if possible as they'd also know what the plan was for those tracks.

I look forward to more albums of outtakes, and more input from those who participated.

The expanded version of my book PRINCE and The Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983-1984 was released in November 2018. (www.amazon.com/gp/product/1538114623/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0) or www.facebook.com/groups/1...104195943/
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Reply #82 posted 08/07/17 11:17pm

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Latin said:

Check out this article published by The Spinoff entitled "Wait!’: Lisa Coleman on why The Revolution wants a say in what gets released from Prince’s vault": https://thespinoff.co.nz/...ces-vault/

Thanks Latin worship .....of course they want a say, they want to be paid, and we want to listen to it nuts

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Reply #83 posted 08/08/17 12:17am

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Susan Rogers AND The Revolution should have a say about Vault material from Purple Rain to Parade & up to Sign O' The Times. Just My 2 Cents. I mean....WHO KNOWS BETTER???

cool

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Reply #84 posted 08/08/17 2:10am

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woogiebear said:

Susan Rogers AND The Revolution should have a say about Vault material from Purple Rain to Parade & up to Sign O' The Times. Just My 2 Cents. I mean....WHO KNOWS BETTER???

cool

If ALL the bands, engineers, associates could be professional and put biases aside yes but just reading threads and interviews with past bandmates and engineers etc. I do not want it. If there is music that is worthy of being released no bandmates needed. Leave them all out- I do not need any of their commentary, they cannot be Prince's brain. Prince is gone so not one can be his brain and that is or a totally different thread.

.

I respect and thank ALL bands-incl. the Revolution but at this point

I want the music to be about Prince and even the discussions seem pointless because the bandmates did not create. PRINCE is the genius. Prince is the reason for the music, he is the Mozart.

You do not need to be a bandmate or associate to hear good music, catalogue it and release it.

.

I want the videos, music and films form the vault. Let me hear it, see it, and I do not need any bandmates opinion, thoughts, whatever. I see how things are working and it has taken away from Prince in my opinion.

.

The Vault should not be about the bandmates but Prince. Leave them all out of it. I want this handled as a real excavation of Prince's music as if it is a dig of grand historical finds. I am already weary of the attempts to make it about individual personalities and not about great historical pieces that need to be preserved for generations to come. Love the music,the poems, the films, the vidoes. Respect the one who created the art.

I love museums. I think Princes Vault/Vaults need to taken as serious artifacts, precious pieces of history and finds.

.

Prince was a once in a lifetime person and left so much for us and generations to come. The Vault needs to be respected as an historical gold mine. It needs to be handled in a way that is unbiased in all aspects. It needs to be treated for the historical site it is.

[Edited 8/8/17 2:14am]

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Goddess4Real said:

Latin said:

Check out this article published by The Spinoff entitled "Wait!’: Lisa Coleman on why The Revolution wants a say in what gets released from Prince’s vault": https://thespinoff.co.nz/...ces-vault/

Thanks Latin worship .....of course they want a say, they want to be paid, and we want to listen to it nuts

They want a paycheck.

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Reply #86 posted 08/08/17 4:37am

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Very nice. I agree.

Vashtix said:

woogiebear said:

Susan Rogers AND The Revolution should have a say about Vault material from Purple Rain to Parade & up to Sign O' The Times. Just My 2 Cents. I mean....WHO KNOWS BETTER???

cool

If ALL the bands, engineers, associates could be professional and put biases aside yes but just reading threads and interviews with past bandmates and engineers etc. I do not want it. If there is music that is worthy of being released no bandmates needed. Leave them all out- I do not need any of their commentary, they cannot be Prince's brain. Prince is gone so not one can be his brain and that is or a totally different thread.

.

I respect and thank ALL bands-incl. the Revolution but at this point

I want the music to be about Prince and even the discussions seem pointless because the bandmates did not create. PRINCE is the genius. Prince is the reason for the music, he is the Mozart.

You do not need to be a bandmate or associate to hear good music, catalogue it and release it.

.

I want the videos, music and films form the vault. Let me hear it, see it, and I do not need any bandmates opinion, thoughts, whatever. I see how things are working and it has taken away from Prince in my opinion.

.

The Vault should not be about the bandmates but Prince. Leave them all out of it. I want this handled as a real excavation of Prince's music as if it is a dig of grand historical finds. I am already weary of the attempts to make it about individual personalities and not about great historical pieces that need to be preserved for generations to come. Love the music,the poems, the films, the vidoes. Respect the one who created the art.

I love museums. I think Princes Vault/Vaults need to taken as serious artifacts, precious pieces of history and finds.

.

Prince was a once in a lifetime person and left so much for us and generations to come. The Vault needs to be respected as an historical gold mine. It needs to be handled in a way that is unbiased in all aspects. It needs to be treated for the historical site it is.

[Edited 8/8/17 2:14am]

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Reply #87 posted 08/08/17 5:29am

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laurarichardson said:

Goddess4Real said:

Thanks Latin worship .....of course they want a say, they want to be paid, and we want to listen to it nuts

They want a paycheck.

bored

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Reply #88 posted 08/08/17 5:32am

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madhouseman said:

Of course they should be consulted about the songs. They were the people who were in the studio with him during that. Any album that contains their work should have their input. Obviously the producer of the album would have the final say, but to not reach out to anyone who worked on the album seems to be short sited.

Prince gave each of the members of The Revolution a percentage of the profit from his work with them. He knew that they were a valuable part of the process and because many of the tracks he recorded were based on jams with the band, they have earned the right to be consulted on future releases. They were vital in the recording of many of his songs. Not every track involved them, but many of them did.

I wish that they'd been asked about the outtakes on the Purple Rain re-release. I'd love to hear what they recall about those tracks.

For any future release, I think it would benefit WB to have the band/singers/engineers comment about the songs and I'd give weight to their comments about Prince's thoughts about the music. They were there for that and knew the situation in a way that no one else would. I'd also consult any managers if possible as they'd also know what the plan was for those tracks.

I look forward to more albums of outtakes, and more input from those who participated.

Right.
As someone who loves background information. The PR Deluxe was missing this.
I would have loved some photos probably taken during recording session or jam sessions too.

Doing this for all the album would just make it that much more valuable.

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Reply #89 posted 08/08/17 5:38am

Thewooh

Everyone with info should be consulted. But members of the Revolution have unfortunately proven time and again that they can't be trusted to get the facts right. And also rather than using interviews after Prince's death to further Prince's legacy they have taken every opportunity to build their own. I fear they would use the vault material in the same way.
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