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Reply #150 posted 10/04/16 7:13am

rogifan

disch said:

I wonder how many tickets have been sold, and to which days/times (I'm sure most were sold for the tribute weekend). Depending on the quantity, I'm wondering how likely it would be for the council to allow tours just for existing ticket-holders -- I would be OK with them changing (somewhat) the time of my tour if they wanted to consolidate the tours to more limited time blocks. And of course, they would stop selling any more tickets until this s%$-show is resolved.


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I'm keeping my fingers crossed they find a way to honor sold tickets (and not just by refunding), but not holding my breath.


The need to honor current ticket holders, especially ones coming from out of town who have paid for airfare/lodging that isn't refundable.
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Reply #151 posted 10/04/16 7:13am

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rogifan said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

So has there been no official statement from the people who collected the money from the ticket sales? Because that's exactly who I would be real pissed off with right about now. IJS!

Apparently they've sent emails to ticket holders saying they would have more information soon.


SMDH! disbelief

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
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Reply #152 posted 10/04/16 7:16am

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I thought everything was completely ready-to-go...While I admit I wasn't closely following the situation, I had no idea there had to be a council vote on it. Did the estate not feel that this could have been a possibility? hmmm

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Reply #153 posted 10/04/16 7:19am

ksl1974

I just emailed them. And I know they aren't going to give a rats a** about anything I say. But I feel better venting. I have VIP tickets for the 14th.......

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I honestly don't know what the hold up is. Sounds like a safety concern as far as pedestrians, traffic, etc. But from what I understand, they (Paisley Park) themselves have this figured out between shuttles and VIP parking. I highly doubt they want anyone's lives in danger either. So you can't tell me they don't have a plan in place for all this.

I also understand, that as a whole, none of you could care less about what people have spent to make this trip happen. It personally affects you in no way, so why should you care right? If you did care...........you'd find a way in the next 24 hrs to let this opening happen, and also let it continue to stay open....if only on a trial period. Then re-evaluate if you need to. From what I'm reading, its seeming more and more like a power trip for a couple people on the city council, and nothing more. Believe me, we have had those were I live too.....constantly say no to things that would benefit the city, just to stir things up and seem "important". Those people are also no longer on the city council board because people got smart and never voted for them again.


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Reply #154 posted 10/04/16 7:20am

donnyenglish

My email to them proposing a compromise:

Dear Chanhassen City Council:

The compromise solution is to temporarily open Paisley Park for the week of the tribute so that fans from around the world can pay their respects and visit Paisley Park. It can then be closed until all questions are answered and there is a more permanent plan that satisfies all of your constituents. I think that it is incorrect to suggest that the Council only has one shot at this because there is a short-term and a long-term solution that can be enacted separately.

If safety and traffic are the primary concerns, then safety and traffic are going to be an even bigger issue when thousands of fans from around the world come to Paisley Park next week whether it is open or not. With that in mind, I urge you to hold an emergency session today to vote on this temporary solution.

Thanks for your consideration.

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Reply #155 posted 10/04/16 7:22am

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PurpleColossus said:

I thought everything was completely ready-to-go...While I admit I wasn't closely following the situation, I had no idea there had to be a council vote on it. Did the estate not feel that this could have been a possibility? hmmm


There had to be a council vote because the council votes on ALL rezoning issues.

Here's what I don't understand: Prince held events at Paisley Park all the time. How? Did he have to get a permit every time he let people into the place? I mean...those events required tickets and caused traffic issues and whatnot. How did they deal with that?

So they tabled the rezoning. Okay. There has to be a way to allow the tours to happen on a limited, temporary basis while the permanent rezoning is considered.

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Reply #156 posted 10/04/16 7:23am

rogifan

donnyenglish said:

My email to them proposing a compromise:



Dear Chanhassen City Council:



The compromise solution is to temporarily open Paisley Park for the week of the tribute so that fans from around the world can pay their respects and visit Paisley Park. It can then be closed until all questions are answered and there is a more permanent plan that satisfies all of your constituents. I think that it is incorrect to suggest that the Council only has one shot at this because there is a short-term and a long-term solution that can be enacted separately.



If safety and traffic are the primary concerns, then safety and traffic are going to be an even bigger issue when thousands of fans from around the world come to Paisley Park next week whether it is open or not. With that in mind, I urge you to hold an emergency session today to vote on this temporary solution.



Thanks for your consideration.





A reasonable suggestion. Hopefully they take it into consideration. I would send directly to the mayor too.
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Reply #157 posted 10/04/16 7:27am

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I just seen on a facebook page called Prince Live the best, someone commented that the council has called a special meeting for today. Don't know how true that is though????

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Reply #158 posted 10/04/16 7:30am

ksl1974

here was the response I just got.....(basically nothing)

*****

Thank you for your note.

My discipline is to respond to all emails, even though I may not be able to say anything at present. Please understand.

Denny Laufenburger
Mayor - City of Chanhassen
612-327-6800
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Reply #159 posted 10/04/16 7:32am

Genesia

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ksl1974 said:

here was the response I just got.....(basically nothing)

*****

Thank you for your note.

My discipline is to respond to all emails, even though I may not be able to say anything at present. Please understand.

Denny Laufenburger
Mayor - City of Chanhassen
612-327-6800
iPad Originated


Do you think yours is the only note he's gotten?

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Reply #160 posted 10/04/16 7:32am

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Genesia said:

PurpleColossus said:

I thought everything was completely ready-to-go...While I admit I wasn't closely following the situation, I had no idea there had to be a council vote on it. Did the estate not feel that this could have been a possibility? hmmm


There had to be a council vote because the council votes on ALL rezoning issues.

Here's what I don't understand: Prince held events at Paisley Park all the time. How? Did he have to get a permit every time he let people into the place? I mean...those events required tickets and caused traffic issues and whatnot. How did they deal with that?

So they tabled the rezoning. Okay. There has to be a way to allow the tours to happen on a limited, temporary basis while the permanent rezoning is considered.

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Thank you for the info.

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Those are good questions...It may have to do with certain laws that apply to museums only or something like that? Maybe they can work out some sort of temporary basis as you say, I feel bad for people who had everything planned.

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Reply #161 posted 10/04/16 7:33am

ksl1974

Genesia said:

ksl1974 said:

here was the response I just got.....(basically nothing)

*****

Thank you for your note.

My discipline is to respond to all emails, even though I may not be able to say anything at present. Please understand.

Denny Laufenburger
Mayor - City of Chanhassen
612-327-6800
iPad Originated


Do you think yours is the only note he's gotten?

no, in fact my subject line was......... "Paisley Park (I'm sure you've gotten 100's of these already)

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Reply #162 posted 10/04/16 7:37am

meagemini2

Opening day for tours will be October 6, 2016. Tickets currently available for purchase through December 31, 2016. Tickets for 2017 will go on sale at a later time. Sign up for email updates below to be notified when these are available.

Prices and tour options are subject to change without notice. Tour ticket purchases are non-refundable. Tickets/Tours are subject to the City of Chanhassen approval. A ticket is required for everyone age 5 and up. Children under 5 are not permitted.

Well there it is. Anyone with tickets can forget about a refund and they still have our money. On top of money for plane, hotel and car for a FAMILY which is also non-refundable and I cannot get back.

We were going in the beginning of the week because that was the only time we could get time off work, so won't be able to go to any dance party, tribute, etc. PP was it. I'm heartbroken all over again. And mad as hell. And honestly, I feel a little stupid for falling for this scam. mad pissed bawl

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Reply #163 posted 10/04/16 7:39am

rogifan

Genesia said:



PurpleColossus said:


I thought everything was completely ready-to-go...While I admit I wasn't closely following the situation, I had no idea there had to be a council vote on it. Did the estate not feel that this could have been a possibility? hmmm




There had to be a council vote because the council votes on ALL rezoning issues.

Here's what I don't understand: Prince held events at Paisley Park all the time. How? Did he have to get a permit every time he let people into the place? I mean...those events required tickets and caused traffic issues and whatnot. How did they deal with that?

So they tabled the rezoning. Okay. There has to be a way to allow the tours to happen on a limited, temporary basis while the permanent rezoning is considered.


I watched this entire meeting. It was very respectful for most of the meeting, especially the questions they asked Bremer and Graceland but then at the end when the mayor was asking for a vote these council members just went off and started ranting about all the things not addressed. It was as if this was the first time they were hearing about this proposal. Shocking really.
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Reply #164 posted 10/04/16 7:41am

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Genesia said:



PurpleColossus said:


I thought everything was completely ready-to-go...While I admit I wasn't closely following the situation, I had no idea there had to be a council vote on it. Did the estate not feel that this could have been a possibility? hmmm




There had to be a council vote because the council votes on ALL rezoning issues.

Here's what I don't understand: Prince held events at Paisley Park all the time. How? Did he have to get a permit every time he let people into the place? I mean...those events required tickets and caused traffic issues and whatnot. How did they deal with that?

So they tabled the rezoning. Okay. There has to be a way to allow the tours to happen on a limited, temporary basis while the permanent rezoning is considered.



Yes, every time Prince held a concert at Paisley there would have to be a permit issued. There is a big difference however between a one-off permit with limited impact and a long term permit with potentially more extreme impact. Let's be real. There weren't that many people going to Paisley Park parties and concerts, and least compared to all of the out-of-the- woodwork "fans" that will likely go there now that he's dead.
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Reply #165 posted 10/04/16 7:42am

derrick31

Prince's estate would be better off if they just sold all back to Warners. I think we are all tired of the amateur bs.
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Reply #166 posted 10/04/16 7:42am

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Genesia said:

ksl1974 said:

here was the response I just got.....(basically nothing)

*****

Thank you for your note.

My discipline is to respond to all emails, even though I may not be able to say anything at present. Please understand.

Denny Laufenburger
Mayor - City of Chanhassen
612-327-6800
iPad Originated


Do you think yours is the only note he's gotten?

I sent a note as well and just got the exact same response from the mayor himself.

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Reply #167 posted 10/04/16 7:45am

Genesia

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derrick31 said:

Prince's estate would be better off if they just sold all back to Warners. I think we are all tired of the amateur bs.


Yeah, you already said that on another thread.

Did Warner Brothers ever own Paisley Park?

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Reply #168 posted 10/04/16 7:46am

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I've been trying to call the city and all I get is a busy signal.

They must be bombarded with phone calls. biggrin

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Reply #169 posted 10/04/16 7:47am

ksl1974

meagemini2 said:

Opening day for tours will be October 6, 2016. Tickets currently available for purchase through December 31, 2016. Tickets for 2017 will go on sale at a later time. Sign up for email updates below to be notified when these are available.

Prices and tour options are subject to change without notice. Tour ticket purchases are non-refundable. Tickets/Tours are subject to the City of Chanhassen approval. A ticket is required for everyone age 5 and up. Children under 5 are not permitted.

Well there it is. Anyone with tickets can forget about a refund and they still have our money. On top of money for plane, hotel and car for a FAMILY which is also non-refundable and I cannot get back.

We were going in the beginning of the week because that was the only time we could get time off work, so won't be able to go to any dance party, tribute, etc. PP was it. I'm heartbroken all over again. And mad as hell. And honestly, I feel a little stupid for falling for this scam. mad pissed bawl

That whole "Tickets/Tours are subject to the City of Chanhassen approval".......is a new statement. Was NOT on there when I bought my tickets. I still have the screenshot of it on my computer at home.

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Reply #170 posted 10/04/16 7:48am

StopIt

Excuse me?

There is someone out there actually believing that any of the poobahs billing at 6 minute intervals for Bremer, AND

the few (if any) competent folks among the collective heirs' bevy of legal teams; AND

the juggernaut that is Graceland Holdings; AND

(the McMillan et al lazy shamtastics) AND

many more,

ALL collectively (yet blindly) banked on some po-dunk City-Counsel's initial brainfarts without Anyone dotting every "i" and crossing every "t" every single step of the way since?!

Local public service people have to be closely tended to, massaged, incentivized, and have their asses kissed consistently by the interest groups, period.

Lawyers know this, its their job.

But don't worry, those members will get paid off in more loans against the estate and from elsewhere for an emergency meeting for a "temporary permit" to park on the grass and dump confused mourners with lowered expectations.

Hummus cracker in a tote bag, Damn.



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Reply #171 posted 10/04/16 7:49am

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KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Genesia said:


There had to be a council vote because the council votes on ALL rezoning issues.

Here's what I don't understand: Prince held events at Paisley Park all the time. How? Did he have to get a permit every time he let people into the place? I mean...those events required tickets and caused traffic issues and whatnot. How did they deal with that?

So they tabled the rezoning. Okay. There has to be a way to allow the tours to happen on a limited, temporary basis while the permanent rezoning is considered.

Yes, every time Prince held a concert at Paisley there would have to be a permit issued. There is a big difference however between a one-off permit with limited impact and a long term permit with potentially more extreme impact. Let's be real. There weren't that many people going to Paisley Park parties and concerts, and least compared to all of the out-of-the- woodwork "fans" that will likely go there now that he's dead.


Oh, I understand that. (Back in my days as a journalist, I covered a lot of city council meetings.) I'm just wondering if there isn't a short-term solution while they figure out the long-term solution.

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Reply #172 posted 10/04/16 7:56am

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legally, i would think that the Park could still go ahead with the scheduled tours by re-defining them as a "Celebration".

after all, Prince regularly held Celebrations at Paisley Park, and no re-zoning permits were required for these events.



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Reply #173 posted 10/04/16 7:58am

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laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

pandaleka said: I blame the city, especially the mayor. Obviously Bremer and Graceland were lead to believe this would be approved and the city council meeting was just a formality. That certainly was not the case. Why did city council members wait until today to ask for more detailed plans?

Exactly in no way would the Graceland people put the money up for this if they were not assured that the opening would get started.

This is people on the council sabortaging the project. Which is surprising considering what a good neighbor everyone said he was in Chanhassen. eek They want to fail because they could allow it temporaily so the three months worth of tickets holders could come out. What a bunch of asshats.



i think so too. matters like this are usually not scuttled at the last minute. someone must have made city council approval seem like a slam dunk, then changed the game last minute.

sad. chanhassen is just another suburban farm town without Prince

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Reply #174 posted 10/04/16 8:00am

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If any locals are interested in voicing their opinions directly to the Mayor and city council, there is now this forum:

Starting in October, The Mayor Is In will be on the road. All are welcome to join the mayor at various Chanhassen locations for an informal meet-and-greet. Simply show up and speak with Denny and any other City Council or staff members there. Stop by for coffee and some good dialogue about whatever is on your mind.

Here's the link to the dates/locations.


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Reply #175 posted 10/04/16 8:03am

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PennyPurple said:

I just seen on a facebook page called Prince Live the best, someone commented that the council has called a special meeting for today. Don't know how true that is though????

I don't see anything on the city website about a special meeting. The Planning Commission has a meeting scheduled tonight, but I'm not sure if that's new or a standing meeting...

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Reply #176 posted 10/04/16 8:04am

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XxAxX said:

legally, i would think that the Park could still go ahead with the scheduled tours by re-defining them as a "Celebration".

after all, Prince regularly held Celebrations at Paisley Park, and no re-zoning permits were required for these events.




Rezoning wasn't required, but permits were. (They're not the same thing.)

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Reply #177 posted 10/04/16 8:13am

disch

The "out-of-the-wordwork "fans"" are what PP will depend on if it wants to maintain itself as a permanent public museum/facility. It'll have to attract a broader audience than just the self-described "real fans/fams."

KlyphIsBackAgain said:

Genesia said:


There had to be a council vote because the council votes on ALL rezoning issues.

Here's what I don't understand: Prince held events at Paisley Park all the time. How? Did he have to get a permit every time he let people into the place? I mean...those events required tickets and caused traffic issues and whatnot. How did they deal with that?

So they tabled the rezoning. Okay. There has to be a way to allow the tours to happen on a limited, temporary basis while the permanent rezoning is considered.

Yes, every time Prince held a concert at Paisley there would have to be a permit issued. There is a big difference however between a one-off permit with limited impact and a long term permit with potentially more extreme impact. Let's be real. There weren't that many people going to Paisley Park parties and concerts, and least compared to all of the out-of-the- woodwork "fans" that will likely go there now that he's dead.

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Reply #178 posted 10/04/16 8:13am

donnyenglish

Genesia said:

XxAxX said:

legally, i would think that the Park could still go ahead with the scheduled tours by re-defining them as a "Celebration".

after all, Prince regularly held Celebrations at Paisley Park, and no re-zoning permits were required for these events.




Rezoning wasn't required, but permits were. (They're not the same thing.)

Perhaps they should get a permit for next week and then figure out the long term plan.

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Reply #179 posted 10/04/16 8:16am

meagemini2

ksl1974 said:

meagemini2 said:

Opening day for tours will be October 6, 2016. Tickets currently available for purchase through December 31, 2016. Tickets for 2017 will go on sale at a later time. Sign up for email updates below to be notified when these are available.

Prices and tour options are subject to change without notice. Tour ticket purchases are non-refundable. Tickets/Tours are subject to the City of Chanhassen approval. A ticket is required for everyone age 5 and up. Children under 5 are not permitted.

Well there it is. Anyone with tickets can forget about a refund and they still have our money. On top of money for plane, hotel and car for a FAMILY which is also non-refundable and I cannot get back.

We were going in the beginning of the week because that was the only time we could get time off work, so won't be able to go to any dance party, tribute, etc. PP was it. I'm heartbroken all over again. And mad as hell. And honestly, I feel a little stupid for falling for this scam. mad pissed bawl

That whole "Tickets/Tours are subject to the City of Chanhassen approval".......is a new statement. Was NOT on there when I bought my tickets. I still have the screenshot of it on my computer at home.

Whatever you do , do nto erase that screen shot. My thought exactly, I went back to see the fine print as I knew that the 'non-refundable" part was in there, but when I went bcak I saw this. It wasn't there before. So mad, I'm making typos all over the place.

[Edited 10/4/16 8:38am]

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