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Reply #90 posted 05/28/14 5:52am

Yggor

Don't really understand the promoter's strategy behind this. Why not play Waldbuhne or O2, so 15-20 000 venues? With ticket prices like in Vienna I think there would be a good chance of selling maybe not all, but most of the tickets. Meanwhile we have like what, 200 tix sold? Maybe including standing something around 500 tix. And a lot of frustrated fans from not only Germany.

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Reply #91 posted 05/28/14 7:20am

SquirrelMeat

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fnksoul said:

I think the prices will have been set by a promoter rather than Princes guys,


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Is this the one where its a smaller venue? The promoter would have probably been given a fee for Prince which he will get as a flat rate so maybe they had to sell at a price to reflect Prince's fee, plus their profit and additional costs, with it being the smaller venue it would have meant higher prices I'd imagine.



The artist has control.They have ultimate responsibility. They state their fee and agree the venue.
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Reply #92 posted 05/28/14 8:15am

yellowday

I don´t really get what this crying over the price is about. If you live in Germany you save money on hotels and flights. So 300 is as expensive as travelling to Amsterdam, Montreux or else plus booking a hotel.

Get it. Times are changing audience is getting older. You are either willing to pay for a certain service of a good seat or Golden Circle or you are not.

I am willing to pay such prices for not having to queue all day in the sun. I´m getting older like everybody else is. Smaller venues, better sound more intimacy. I LOVE IT just the same as big venues.

BUT I DO HOPE FOR A BETTER SET LIST. Not so many hits - more special - more new songs. biggrin

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Reply #93 posted 05/28/14 8:34am

allwaystired

...then you must be a very lucky and very wealthy man.

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Reply #94 posted 05/28/14 8:44am

fnksoul

SquirrelMeat said:

fnksoul said:

I think the prices will have been set by a promoter rather than Princes guys,

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Is this the one where its a smaller venue? The promoter would have probably been given a fee for Prince which he will get as a flat rate so maybe they had to sell at a price to reflect Prince's fee, plus their profit and additional costs, with it being the smaller venue it would have meant higher prices I'd imagine.

The artist has control.They have ultimate responsibility. They state their fee and agree the venue.

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My point was more about the prices, yeah Prince's management might have had a bit of say bu the promoter has alot of control as they do most of the planning aslong as the artists is being paid their fee. If the options were limited for venues then could be why they went with a smaller venue, and explains the increase in prices once they factor in evrything else.

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I work in event management and when we do concerts we enquire with the agent, are given the fee for their service, plus a Ryder of things they require which is an additional cost, then travel expenses on top. We source the venue, AV prices and everything else and we base the ticket prices on covering everything in that plus our profit.

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Reply #95 posted 05/28/14 10:06am

MarcelS67

allwaystired said:

...then you must be a very lucky and very wealthy man.

My thoughts exactly, and he likes to flash it too, well,well well,.... yawn.....

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Reply #96 posted 05/28/14 10:22am

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yellowday said:

I don´t really get what this crying over the price is about. If you live in Germany you save money on hotels and flights. So 300 is as expensive as travelling to Amsterdam, Montreux or else plus booking a hotel.


Get it. Times are changing audience is getting older. You are either willing to pay for a certain service of a good seat or Golden Circle or you are not.


I am willing to pay such prices for not having to queue all day in the sun. I´m getting older like everybody else is. Smaller venues, better sound more intimacy. I LOVE IT just the same as big venues.


BUT I DO HOPE FOR A BETTER SET LIST. Not so many hits - more special - more new songs. biggrin


agree lol
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Reply #97 posted 05/28/14 10:26am

MarcelS67

serk said:

yellowday said:

I don´t really get what this crying over the price is about. If you live in Germany you save money on hotels and flights. So 300 is as expensive as travelling to Amsterdam, Montreux or else plus booking a hotel.

Get it. Times are changing audience is getting older. You are either willing to pay for a certain service of a good seat or Golden Circle or you are not.

I am willing to pay such prices for not having to queue all day in the sun. I´m getting older like everybody else is. Smaller venues, better sound more intimacy. I LOVE IT just the same as big venues.

BUT I DO HOPE FOR A BETTER SET LIST. Not so many hits - more special - more new songs. biggrin

agree lol

I also agree with only the last sentence, the rest is BS!

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Reply #98 posted 05/28/14 10:55am

allwaystired

...I'm also not sure what 'willing to pay these prices so i don't have to queue' means at all!

If tickets were a reasonable price, why would that mean you had to queue all day in the sun?! If you have a ticket you can turn up two seconds before he goes on stage if you like!

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Reply #99 posted 05/28/14 11:07am

MarcelS67

allwaystired said:

...I'm also not sure what 'willing to pay these prices so i don't have to queue' means at all!



If tickets were a reasonable price, why would that mean you had to queue all day in the sun?! If you have a ticket you can turn up two seconds before he goes on stage if you like!


Just braggin' I suppose!
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Reply #100 posted 05/28/14 11:26am

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I have three tickets that I cannot use!! Was going to go to Berlin but got tickets to Paris and the cost of travel plus the cost of the ticket and accommodation is too much for this graduate student. I'll send my tickets to who ever wants them at the best prices i can get, whatever that might be. Right now I am out over 900 euro (what is that, $1300??) and i am afraid i won't see any of it. someone send me an email and make me an offer...! duh

“I have found the paradox, that if you love until it hurts, there can be no more hurt, only more love.” Mother Teresa
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Reply #101 posted 05/28/14 1:09pm

ludwig

yellowday said:

I don´t really get what this crying over the price is about. If you live in Germany you save money on hotels and flights. So 300 is as expensive as travelling to Amsterdam, Montreux or else plus booking a hotel.

No. Germany isn't such a small country. I live in Cologne, that's about 600 km to travel to Berlin. So I need a hotel after the concert. Amsterdam is a lot closer (260 km), I can easily drive home after the concert. And there are fans in germany with a even longer travel distance.

[Edited 5/28/14 13:10pm]

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Reply #102 posted 05/28/14 1:44pm

yellowday

Well I live near Cologne. If I were you I would drive there and sleep in the car. I did that many many times after P concerts.No big deal.
I am also not bragging and I am not rich. I am only counting what I have paid for tickets,plus hotel, plus petrol, food in the past.
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Reply #103 posted 05/28/14 3:00pm

beatz01

300 EUR or 188 EUR it doesn't matter, it's outrageous either way.

The "If you can't afford it, there's always one who can" mentality that often disguises as "You pay what it is worth to you" is one reason why this world is going down the toilet, see issues like gentrification etc.

And of course just because you live in germany doesn't equal no costs for travel or hotel..what an absurd idea?!

Oh and i've worked long enough in the music business to know it's not the artists fault alone, it's not the promoters fault alone, it's not german entertainment tax alone, it's ALL OF THEM.

Hint: If any other (super)star can do it for 50 EUR/ticket in germany, Prince can too.

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Reply #104 posted 05/28/14 4:50pm

PatrickS77

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madness said:

I have three tickets that I cannot use!! Was going to go to Berlin but got tickets to Paris and the cost of travel plus the cost of the ticket and accommodation is too much for this graduate student. I'll send my tickets to who ever wants them at the best prices i can get, whatever that might be. Right now I am out over 900 euro (what is that, $1300??) and i am afraid i won't see any of it. someone send me an email and make me an offer...! duh

Wow! You really have chosen the right name. confused Best of luck selling those tickets for a price that will get you your investment back.

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Reply #105 posted 05/28/14 4:59pm

PatrickS77

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SquirrelMeat said:

fnksoul said:

I think the prices will have been set by a promoter rather than Princes guys,

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Is this the one where its a smaller venue? The promoter would have probably been given a fee for Prince which he will get as a flat rate so maybe they had to sell at a price to reflect Prince's fee, plus their profit and additional costs, with it being the smaller venue it would have meant higher prices I'd imagine.

The artist has control.They have ultimate responsibility. They state their fee and agree the venue.

Exactly. Anyone thinking the artist has no control over ticket prices is really deluding themselves.

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Reply #106 posted 05/28/14 5:03pm

PatrickS77

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yellowday said:

If you live in Germany you save money on hotels and flights. So 300 is as expensive as travelling to Amsterdam, Montreux or else plus booking a hotel.

Not really. I paid 160 for the flight to Amsterdam, 100 for the ticket and 90 for 3 nights in a hotel. If you live in Berlin you pay almost the same for a 2 - 3 hour concert. And if you live in Germany, but not in Berlin, you pay a lot more.

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Reply #107 posted 05/28/14 10:33pm

beatz01

Did some research and for 300 EUR i could get a two way flight from Hamburg to Vienna, 2 nights hotel AND the concert ticket.Which would equal almost 3 days holiday and much more convenient than sleeping in a car for one night, still having petrol expenses and probably bad sleep just because someone (promoter, Tempodrom,Prince, whoever) wants to squeeze as much $$$ as possible from people.

Btw, i think the Tempodroms promo text saying "exclusive, intimate club concert" is ridiculous - what's "intimate" about a 3500 capacity concert and why is it "exclusive" other than it's the only Germany concert (so far) ? I mean it's not like he's guaranteed to play only bootlegs and have the Revolution reunited on stage.

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Reply #108 posted 05/29/14 12:22am

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MarcelS67 said:

serk said:

yellowday said: agree lol

I also agree with only the last sentence, the rest is BS!

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Reply #109 posted 05/29/14 12:43am

fnksoul

PatrickS77 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

fnksoul said: The artist has control.They have ultimate responsibility. They state their fee and agree the venue.

Exactly. Anyone thinking the artist has no control over ticket prices is really deluding themselves.

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I'm speaking from working in the Industry, they might have an input on prices, but the promoter has to factor in the costs of the venue, AV hire, security, the artists travel expenses and everything else, this Ultimatley decides the price of the tickets that includes the promoters profit as well as the artists fee! The Artists cant say you have to charge £70 per ticket if that leaves the promoter at a loss when using a venue that holds so few people can they?


[Edited 5/29/14 0:45am]

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Reply #110 posted 05/29/14 2:38am

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I don't really know the what exactly are the factors that make the price, but I really think that even if one could easily afford it, you shouldn't pay it. Sorry, but that's just fucking ridiculous for something that's not him playing in your own living room.

Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right?
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Reply #111 posted 05/29/14 2:43am

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mkay... today there are almost four complete blocks (297 Euros) sold. Sharp cut. The first four and five rows. Best places. Yesterday, there have been just a few tix sold in these blocks.

So expect to see sweepstakes on the radio for the weekend and maybe some industry people. Or does anyone think a bowling club is going on a trip?

I certainly don't like getting around a cancellation or an empty location that way.

Really, I happen to be in Berlin on that day by chance. But I won't go.

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Reply #112 posted 05/29/14 4:39am

yellowday

There are choices to make and prices to pay for any decision in life. It´s up to you to decide what things are worth to you.

However I KNOW what I am getting. Even if there was one bad concert in Cologne. So what. Shit happens. He is not a machine, but an eccentric artist.

Sometimes I hate him - most of the times I love him to the 9`s. And if he is bad I´ll forgive him by and by.

I had thought that this was a fan org. Sometimes I wonder why people are so negative.

He gives us his heart and we give him just paper (money). Money comes and goes. Why not spend it on the things you love.

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Reply #113 posted 05/29/14 5:08am

PatrickS77

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fnksoul said:

PatrickS77 said:

Exactly. Anyone thinking the artist has no control over ticket prices is really deluding themselves.

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I'm speaking from working in the Industry, they might have an input on prices, but the promoter has to factor in the costs of the venue, AV hire, security, the artists travel expenses and everything else, this Ultimatley decides the price of the tickets that includes the promoters profit as well as the artists fee! The Artists cant say you have to charge £70 per ticket if that leaves the promoter at a loss when using a venue that holds so few people can they?


[Edited 5/29/14 0:45am]

No! But the artist could reduce his guaranteed fee. But if he doesn't and charges the same big money as for a show in a big venue, that obviously when you add in all the other costs plus the profit of the promoter, it ends up at 300 €. So ultimately it is the artists fault. And an artist could be commited to have reasonable prices, as several artists have been before and take an interest in what the tickets ultimately cost. But if they only care about what they make, regardless of the consequences, then obviously a promoter has free reign.

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Reply #114 posted 05/29/14 5:11am

PatrickS77

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yellowday said:

There are choices to make and prices to pay for any decision in life. It´s up to you to decide what things are worth to you.

However I KNOW what I am getting. Even if there was one bad concert in Cologne. So what. Shit happens. He is not a machine, but an eccentric artist.

Sometimes I hate him - most of the times I love him to the 9`s. And if he is bad I´ll forgive him by and by.

I had thought that this was a fan org. Sometimes I wonder why people are so negative.

He gives us his heart and we give him just paper (money). Money comes and goes. Why not spend it on the things you love.

Oh yes... "fans" like you are the reason why artists get away with chargin the outragous prices they do. And they will always try to top themselves, because a fool who will pay that is born every day.

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Reply #115 posted 05/29/14 5:55am

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PatrickS77 said:

fnksoul said:

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I'm speaking from working in the Industry, they might have an input on prices, but the promoter has to factor in the costs of the venue, AV hire, security, the artists travel expenses and everything else, this Ultimatley decides the price of the tickets that includes the promoters profit as well as the artists fee! The Artists cant say you have to charge £70 per ticket if that leaves the promoter at a loss when using a venue that holds so few people can they?


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No! But the artist could reduce his guaranteed fee. But if he doesn't and charges the same big money as for a show in a big venue, that obviously when you add in all the other costs plus the profit of the promoter, it ends up at 300 €. So ultimately it is the artists fault. And an artist could be commited to have reasonable prices, as several artists have been before and take an interest in what the tickets ultimately cost. But if they only care about what they make, regardless of the consequences, then obviously a promoter has free reign.

Exactly!

What i can`t understand is, that he performs in the biggest european country only one small gig and that`s it...

Germany is the only country in europe right now without a economy crisis and the lowest unemployment rate...People can spend some money here, but apparently they don`t wanna spend that much...

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Reply #116 posted 05/29/14 6:30am

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Berlin - we're coming - a 380 km journey. biggrin yes wildsign

shocked 600€ tickets + gas + hotel + merchandise + ........ . rolleyes nuts omg

Keep your fingers crossed, that this expensive experience will really take place ! fro music headbang

PRINCE WROTE THE SOUNDTRACK OF MY LIFE.
DON'T 4GET 2 LISTEN 2 PRINCE & LEARN !!
IF ANYBODY ASKS U - U BELONG 2 PRINCE !
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Reply #117 posted 05/29/14 8:09am

allwaystired

Quite reassuring that everyone seems to be voting with their feet on this one.

what will happen to it I wonder? free tickets? Or cancelled altogether?

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Reply #118 posted 05/29/14 8:19am

Ellie79

antonia said:

Just received an email from Eventim, stating Prince will play the Tempodrom in Berlin on June 3rd. Tickets go on sale tomorrow, Tuesday 27th, at noon local time.

http://www.eventim.de/Tickets.html?affiliate=ETA&xtor=EPR-1014-[Premailing_2014]&kuid=508&doc=artistPages/overview&action=overview&fun=artist&includeOnlybookable=true&language=en

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This is a small venue, capacity 3,800!

[Edited 5/26/14 10:28am]

If only I could be Prince's Tangerine girl in Berlin on the 3rd June!! ( girl in orange dress) Stella smile

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Reply #119 posted 05/29/14 9:05am

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wsenges said:

mkay... today there are almost four complete blocks (297 Euros) sold. Sharp cut. The first four and five rows. Best places. Yesterday, there have been just a few tix sold in these blocks.

So expect to see sweepstakes on the radio for the weekend and maybe some industry people. Or does anyone think a bowling club is going on a trip?

I certainly don't like getting around a cancellation or an empty location that way.

Really, I happen to be in Berlin on that day by chance. But I won't go.

Interesting. Now, just a few hours later the almost entirely greyed out blocks are back for sale again... with the exception of a few sold seats.

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