Sad that we are becoming immune to these shootings and nothing about it on the P & R forum.

It makes me sick.


SANTA CLARITA, Calif. — A 16-year-old student pulled a gun from his backpack and opened fire on classmates at a high school north of Los Angeles on Thursday morning, striking five people before turning the gun on himself, law enforcement authorities said. Two students, a 16-year-old girl and a 14-year-old boy, died at a hospital.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/11/14/shooting-reported-los-angeles-area-high-school/

PennyPurple said:

It's a never ending cycle.

It was at least the 11^th school shooting in the U.S. this year and at least the 10^th mass shooting in California since 2013.

Oddly, just the other day I was thinking we would have one soon because we were overdue,

I can't quite get my head wrapped around it all.

Guns have been around for the ages but the last decade or so people decide to shoot up concerts, movie theaters, schools, shopping malls, CHURCHES.

It has to stem from not having discipline in the home. That's the only thing I can come up with.

As a child, my parents wouldn't hesitate to bring the belt out...or any other thing they could reach for (hot wheels race track, comes to mind). When we acted up we knew what was coming, act up at school and it would be our asses.

My grandparents were heavy handed with my parents.

I wasn't so heavy handed with my children, though they still got plenty of spankings.

I think with each generation the discipline lessons. Time out these days is used a little too much and does nothing.

What motivates these kids to get guns and kill multiple people?

This attack lasted 16 seconds. 16 seconds and these families lives are forever changed.

And the parents of these shooters, how do they feel? You can't just stop loving your child in 1 second flat, but your child has taken other lives. I would be so devastated if one of my children did something like this, that I think I couldn't go on.

My daughter is a teacher and loves, loves her job, but she is afraid for her students, she is afraid for herself, hell I'm afraid for her.

Mental health? Again why when I was a child none of the kids in my school had this type of mental health problems to want to kill everyone?

Every child in this country knows by now you can't bring guns to school. Even pre-schoolers know because they have drills all the time these days.

wildgoldenhoney said:

Yes, lack of discipline, copycats, and pressure from peers and society in general created a pressure cooker situation. No real direction and discipline in some of their lives that some don't know how to cope with life's problems. And acting out is the only way they know how to respond. Anger is a ingrained trait that we all have but they just don't know to control themselves or their impulses. IMO

...guns, gun laws

^^ Agree. Guns are the difference between the US and the rest of the industrialized nations.


Bill Clinton to Donald Trump on gun control inaction during impeachment: 'You got hired to do a job'

“What would your message to President Trump be about when he says, ‘I can’t work with these people, they’re impeaching me?’” CNN anchor Jake Tapper asked Clinton.

“You got hired to do a job. You don't get the days back you blow off,” Clinton said his message to Trump would be. “Every day's an opportunity to make something good happen. I would say, 'I've got lawyers and staff people handling the impeachment inquiry and they should just have at it. Meanwhile, I'm going to work for the American people.'"

The former president was reacting to a clip of Attorney General Bill Barr saying Wednesday, the first day of the public hearings in the impeachment inquiry, that "discussions on the legislative aspects" of gun control "have been sidetracked because of the impeachment process on the Hill."

shameless politicizing of murder

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

Yes, lack of discipline, copycats, and pressure from peers and society in general created a pressure cooker situation. No real direction and discipline in some of their lives that some don't know how to cope with life's problems. And acting out is the only way they know how to respond. Anger is a ingrained trait that we all have but they just don't know to control themselves or their impulses. IMO

...guns, gun laws

I have to agree. I don't disagree with some of the things wildgoldenhoney says, but this type of mass shooting is an American problem in the Western world. If it were solely the things others have listed (i.e. discipline etc..) then we'd be having mass shootings all over the Western world. American gun laws are what sets America apart. It should not be easy to carry out the dark thoughts that lurk inside people's minds.

maplenpg said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

...guns, gun laws

I have to agree. I don't disagree with some of the things wildgoldenhoney says, but this type of mass shooting is an American problem in the Western world. If it were solely the things others have listed (i.e. discipline etc..) then we'd be having mass shootings all over the Western world. American gun laws are what sets America apart. It should not be easy to carry out the dark thoughts that lurk inside people's minds.

Exactly.

PennyPurple said:

I can't quite get my head wrapped around it all.

Guns have been around for the ages but the last decade or so people decide to shoot up concerts, movie theaters, schools, shopping malls, CHURCHES.

It has to stem from not having discipline in the home. That's the only thing I can come up with.

As a child, my parents wouldn't hesitate to bring the belt out...or any other thing they could reach for (hot wheels race track, comes to mind). When we acted up we knew what was coming, act up at school and it would be our asses.

My grandparents were heavy handed with my parents.

I wasn't so heavy handed with my children, though they still got plenty of spankings.

I think with each generation the discipline lessons. Time out these days is used a little too much and does nothing.

What motivates these kids to get guns and kill multiple people?

This attack lasted 16 seconds. 16 seconds and these families lives are forever changed.

And the parents of these shooters, how do they feel? You can't just stop loving your child in 1 second flat, but your child has taken other lives. I would be so devastated if one of my children did something like this, that I think I couldn't go on.

My daughter is a teacher and loves, loves her job, but she is afraid for her students, she is afraid for herself, hell I'm afraid for her.

Mental health? Again why when I was a child none of the kids in my school had this type of mental health problems to want to kill everyone?

Every child in this country knows by now you can't bring guns to school. Even pre-schoolers know because they have drills all the time these days.

Do you think it might also have to do with what people eat these days, and what´s in the food? Because even though most junk food items such as burgers, fries, pizza have been around for ages, they used to have very different ingredients back in the day.

High fructose corn syrup for example is a relatively new part of the average American diet. And scientists see a link between diet and behavior.

Then again, diet is probably just one factor among many others.

PennyPurple said:

Sad that we are becoming immune to these shootings and nothing about it on the P & R forum.

It makes me sick.


SANTA CLARITA, Calif. — A 16-year-old student pulled a gun from his backpack and opened fire on classmates at a high school north of Los Angeles on Thursday morning, striking five people before turning the gun on himself, law enforcement authorities said. Two students, a 16-year-old girl and a 14-year-old boy, died at a hospital.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/11/14/shooting-reported-los-angeles-area-high-school/

This one was very close to home. We watched it live on TV as it was unfolding. I am sick of it. I am sick of how anyone, especially the mentally disturbed, have such easy access to guns.

KoolEaze said:

PennyPurple said:

I can't quite get my head wrapped around it all.

Guns have been around for the ages but the last decade or so people decide to shoot up concerts, movie theaters, schools, shopping malls, CHURCHES.

It has to stem from not having discipline in the home. That's the only thing I can come up with.

As a child, my parents wouldn't hesitate to bring the belt out...or any other thing they could reach for (hot wheels race track, comes to mind). When we acted up we knew what was coming, act up at school and it would be our asses.

My grandparents were heavy handed with my parents.

I wasn't so heavy handed with my children, though they still got plenty of spankings.

I think with each generation the discipline lessons. Time out these days is used a little too much and does nothing.

What motivates these kids to get guns and kill multiple people?

This attack lasted 16 seconds. 16 seconds and these families lives are forever changed.

And the parents of these shooters, how do they feel? You can't just stop loving your child in 1 second flat, but your child has taken other lives. I would be so devastated if one of my children did something like this, that I think I couldn't go on.

My daughter is a teacher and loves, loves her job, but she is afraid for her students, she is afraid for herself, hell I'm afraid for her.

Mental health? Again why when I was a child none of the kids in my school had this type of mental health problems to want to kill everyone?

Every child in this country knows by now you can't bring guns to school. Even pre-schoolers know because they have drills all the time these days.

Do you think it might also have to do with what people eat these days, and what´s in the food? Because even though most junk food items such as burgers, fries, pizza have been around for ages, they used to have very different ingredients back in the day.

High fructose corn syrup for example is a relatively new part of the average American diet. And scientists see a link between diet and behavior.

Then again, diet is probably just one factor among many others.

Back when I was growing up, we had home cooked meals, and if we ever got to go out it was a treat.

Like I said growing up I don't remember mass shootings like this. Maybe it just wasn't out in the open like it is today.

There is something wrong with this generation of kids.

My daughter is a 2nd grade teacher and the stories she tells about how the 2nd graders behave, astounds me. One kid told his pregnant teacher that he was going to bring a knife to school and cut her stomach open and kill the baby. The same 2nd grader who tripped the pregnant teacher and was punching her in the belly while she was down on the floor. The teacher had to actually file a police report on the 7-8 year old.

These kids are 7-8 years old.

The teachers have to evacuate their classroom when a child acts up like this. One kid last month started throwing desks around, the teacher led the other kids out and left that kid in the classroom, the kid totalled the class. Every desk was dumped. Every crayon was thrown, every drawer in the teachers desk was dumped. Markers on the wall. Every single thing that the teacher bought with her own money to make her classroom fun was destroyed. It took the teacher and 4 other teachers 6 hours to clean the mess up. 6 hours after school, of their own time.

17, yes I said, 17 phone calls were made to the parents of this kid. 3 hours later the dad finally shows up. All the dad said was, he has never acted this way before..........ummmm yes he has, he did this to his 1st grade teacher too.

[Edited 11/15/19 15:14pm]

onlyforaminute said:

Yep it's the food.

I´m not saying it´s the only reason but there are many experts who´ve been studying the links between diet and violence in the USA for quite some time now. I´m saying it might be a contributing factor.

Just one example of many: https://www.ncjrs.gov/App...x?ID=70045

[Edited 11/16/19 0:57am]

DiminutiveRocker said:

PennyPurple said:

Sad that we are becoming immune to these shootings and nothing about it on the P & R forum.

It makes me sick.


SANTA CLARITA, Calif. — A 16-year-old student pulled a gun from his backpack and opened fire on classmates at a high school north of Los Angeles on Thursday morning, striking five people before turning the gun on himself, law enforcement authorities said. Two students, a 16-year-old girl and a 14-year-old boy, died at a hospital.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/11/14/shooting-reported-los-angeles-area-high-school/

This one was very close to home. We watched it live on TV as it was unfolding. I am sick of it. I am sick of how anyone, especially the mentally disturbed, have such easy access to guns.

The kid had more guns at home.

the shooting. Only lasted 16 seconds because that's how fast he emptied the rounds. He knew exactly how many bullets the gun had and saved 5he last one for himself.

.

Santa Clarita is a beautiful community. The kid was smart and not a loner. The only commonality besides a disturbed individual with other shootings seems to be easy access to guns.

And again someone illegally gets a gun, in gun grabbing--anti-civil-rights-- state, went into a gun free zone... and did evil and the rabid anti-liberty fools who apparently only want cops and criminals to have guns use this to push for more laws?

OnlyNDaUsa said:

And again someone illegally gets a gun, in gun grabbing--anti-civil-rights-- state, went into a gun free zone... and did evil and the rabid anti-liberty fools who apparently only want cops and criminals to have guns use this to push for more laws?

Yeah. It proves the point for better gun laws. Wtf?

PennyPurple said:

KoolEaze said:

Do you think it might also have to do with what people eat these days, and what´s in the food? Because even though most junk food items such as burgers, fries, pizza have been around for ages, they used to have very different ingredients back in the day.

High fructose corn syrup for example is a relatively new part of the average American diet. And scientists see a link between diet and behavior.

Then again, diet is probably just one factor among many others.

Back when I was growing up, we had home cooked meals, and if we ever got to go out it was a treat.

Like I said growing up I don't remember mass shootings like this. Maybe it just wasn't out in the open like it is today.

There is something wrong with this generation of kids.

My daughter is a 2nd grade teacher and the stories she tells about how the 2nd graders behave, astounds me. One kid told his pregnant teacher that he was going to bring a knife to school and cut her stomach open and kill the baby. The same 2nd grader who tripped the pregnant teacher and was punching her in the belly while she was down on the floor. The teacher had to actually file a police report on the 7-8 year old.

These kids are 7-8 years old.

The teachers have to evacuate their classroom when a child acts up like this. One kid last month started throwing desks around, the teacher led the other kids out and left that kid in the classroom, the kid totalled the class. Every desk was dumped. Every crayon was thrown, every drawer in the teachers desk was dumped. Markers on the wall. Every single thing that the teacher bought with her own money to make her classroom fun was destroyed. It took the teacher and 4 other teachers 6 hours to clean the mess up. 6 hours after school, of their own time.

17, yes I said, 17 phone calls were made to the parents of this kid. 3 hours later the dad finally shows up. All the dad said was, he has never acted this way before..........ummmm yes he has, he did this to his 1st grade teacher too.

[Edited 11/15/19 15:14pm]

Depends on the decade you´re thinking of because according to statistics, mass shootings are on the decline compared to the 90s.

Still, every mass shooting is one too many.

To me, it feels like there are more shootings these days but, like I said above, the numbers speak a different language.

I think one reason for the decrease is because many young people prefer to stay at home and spend their time online or playing videogames....not really a good trend, but still better than dead teens I guess.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

And again someone illegally gets a gun, in gun grabbing--anti-civil-rights-- state, went into a gun free zone... and did evil and the rabid anti-liberty fools who apparently only want cops and criminals to have guns use this to push for more laws?

Evidently the laws aren't strict enough.

PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

And again someone illegally gets a gun, in gun grabbing--anti-civil-rights-- state, went into a gun free zone... and did evil and the rabid anti-liberty fools who apparently only want cops and criminals to have guns use this to push for more laws?

Evidently the laws aren't strict enough.

so because someone breaks the law we need more laws? People Speed so we should lower the speed limit?

OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

Evidently the laws aren't strict enough.

so because someone breaks the law we need more laws? People Speed so we should lower the speed limit?

So if people keep getting killed from lack of effective laws that right wingers keep fighting against, you suggest doing nothing so kids keep getting killed.
Brilliant. Go tell tell the victims parents about your great idea. Tell them. I'm sure they will agree with you and thank you to your face.

[Edited 11/17/19 12:45pm]

OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

Evidently the laws aren't strict enough.

so because someone breaks the law we need more laws? People Speed so we should lower the speed limit?

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This is utter nonsense.

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If a set of laws and attitudes encourage a rate of death and injury from gun violence that is 10 times the rate of equivalent nations as encouraged by corrupt organisations like the NRA and the politicians they have bought, then, no you don't need more laws, you just need more effective laws.

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Your analogy both works and fails: It works because if people travelling at a location get killed at rate that is 10 times the average of other equivalent places on a per 100,000 people basis, then every sane road and highway management authority does in fact look at lowering the speed limit there and at resolving the issues that cause this spike.

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It fails in that the prime purpose of cars is provide transportation, not the ability to threaten, injure and kill people. The prime purpose of personal guns is to provide the ability to threaten, injure and kill people. Prime purpose to prime putpose, you should have said people use transporttion for its purpose, so should we lower the use of transportation? Had you done this, you see your argument is utter nonsense.

[Edited 11/17/19 23:06pm]

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

so because someone breaks the law we need more laws? People Speed so we should lower the speed limit?

So if people keep getting killed from lack of effective laws that right wingers keep fighting against you suggest doing nothing so kids keep getting killed.
Brilliant. Go tell tell the victims parents about your great idea. Tell them. I'm sure they will agree with you and thank you to your face.

Trolls have no empathy.

Once again, the kid had an abusive, alcoholic dad who had alot of guns as he was a 'sportsman'

He died several years ago and though he was abusive to his wife, his kid loved and missed him.

Like father, like son. IMO, it was up to his mother to clear the house of guns after her abusive husband died.

Right. All mom's fault.

PennyPurple said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

So if people keep getting killed from lack of effective laws that right wingers keep fighting against you suggest doing nothing so kids keep getting killed.

Brilliant. Go tell tell the victims parents about your great idea. Tell them. I'm sure they will agree with you and thank you to your face.

Trolls have no empathy.

They also have no ethics. Which is not just about you personally, it's also how you affect others.