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Proposed law would make the ‘b-word’ illegal in Mass.

This is getting interesting. And I'm sorta in favour... A term like this used in a violent way many times is followed by violence of sorts. But bitch is a very 'socially acceptable' term that even men call each other. Bitch in a lot of ways is used like other 'swear words' ie ass shit damn, so on that side I'm really iffy about making it illegal. I can be with it in it not being used in certain places?

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https://www.boston.com/ne...ban-b-word

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The bill targets using the word "to accost, annoy, degrade or demean" another person.

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A Boston Democrat has proposed a state law that would penalize the use of the b-word when used to demean another person.

The bill, filed by state Rep. Dan Hunt in May, is slated to go before the Joint Committee on the Judiciary Tuesday afternoon.

The measure proposes adding two sentences to the section of state law that assigns fines and other penalties for various offenses, such as crimes for common night walkers, indecent exposure, and disturbers of the peace.

“A person who uses the word ‘bitch’ directed at another person to accost, annoy, degrade or demean the other person shall be considered to be a disorderly person in violation of this section,” the bill says.

Alleged violations can either be reported by the person the word was directed at or by witnesses, the proposal says.

According to the bill, penalties would be similar to those outlined in the other subsections of the state law, which, depending on the subsection, provide for a fine of not more than either $150 or $200, or jail time of up to six months,

The Massachusetts Republican Party criticized and mocked the bill Monday, writing on Twitter, “Beacon Hill Democrats like (Rep. Dan Hunt) are fearlessly taking on the biggest problems facing the commonwealth.”

“Do you believe free speech matters? Tired of (Massachusetts Democrats) dictating what you can say?… Come on Down to the State House. Rooms A1&A2. First floor. Let ’em have it,” MassGOP wrote while referencing Tuesday’s committee hearing in another tweet.

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Reply #1 posted 10/23/19 7:01pm

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There's nothing good that can come from policing language like this.
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Reply #2 posted 10/24/19 5:58am

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guitarslinger44 said:

There's nothing good that can come from policing language like this.

I agree with you on this. If the word is not racist, then leave it be. What's next, "asshole"? What would I call Trump then??????????????

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Reply #3 posted 10/24/19 10:17am

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Luckily the constitution invalidates this proposal.

Unfortunately too many morons want to change the constitution:

https://www.campaignforfr...ing-finds/




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Reply #4 posted 10/24/19 11:39am

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Now people can't flat out argue with each other. This is just ink on paper. I wonder it all the money they collect fining people will go to rape kit lab testing since there doesn't seem to be enough funds to do the stuff they already are supposed to be doing.
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Reply #5 posted 10/24/19 2:15pm

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no one is coming for your speech....they just want reasonable limits....

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Reply #6 posted 10/24/19 3:40pm

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no one is coming for your speech....they just want reasonable limits....

No one is coming for your gun rights....they just want reasonable limits....

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Reply #7 posted 10/25/19 1:41pm

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djThunderfunk said:

Luckily the constitution invalidates this proposal.

Unfortunately too many morons want to change the constitution:

https://www.campaignforfr...ing-finds/





I fail to understand why so many people these days think that free speech is a bad thing.

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Reply #8 posted 10/25/19 2:15pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

djThunderfunk said:

Luckily the constitution invalidates this proposal.

Unfortunately too many morons want to change the constitution:

https://www.campaignforfr...ing-finds/





I fail to understand why so many people these days think that free speech is a bad thing.


Many have been hoodwinked into believing it's a right-wing issue, that the only reason to defend freedom of speech is to defend racist speech. Those that take such a non-sensical partisan position are too stupid to realize what a slippery slope it is to allow words to be banned because they offend someone.

The whole point of freedom of speech is defending THE RIGHT to say even that which offends you yourself, which is obviously not defending the message of the speech at all. I guess some people failed junior high citizenship... or they weren't even taught properly to begin with.


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guitarslinger44 said:

There's nothing good that can come from policing language like this.

I agree with you on this. If the word is not racist, then leave it be. What's next, "asshole"? What would I call Trump then??????????????

It is the sexist ie violence towards women connection.

I don't see how they would have the time to police something like this.
But this and many other words should not be used in the Work place and Schools

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Reply #10 posted 10/26/19 9:07am

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under this law telling some one to "Quit Bitching" would be a crime.

this is what I have (and many others) warned about... the total lost of control of the feelings brigade.


it is basic: rights trump feelings... always, every time.

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Reply #12 posted 10/28/19 3:38pm

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LOL...I've call women a lot worse than the 'b-word' on the subway.

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LOL...I've call women a lot worse than the 'b-word' on the subway.


Odds are most of the people that support this proposal have said it before and will say it again. And worse. I guarantee, they have said and will say something that offends someone, so, this is asinine.

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Reply #14 posted 10/29/19 6:24am

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guitarslinger44 said:

There's nothing good that can come from policing language like this.

totally agree.

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Reply #15 posted 10/29/19 6:28am

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What's going on here? Even if this was passed, which it won't be, how on earth would it be enforced? There must be a bigger story to this?

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djThunderfunk said:


Luckily the constitution invalidates this proposal.

Unfortunately too many morons want to change the constitution:

https://www.campaignforfr...ing-finds/








I fail to understand why so many people these days think that free speech is a bad thing.



I'm totally for freedom of speech and expression. I also accept the price and responsibilities of using that speech and expression.

(It is funny though seeing people on here who actually accused ME of using "racist " and "offensive " language, especially when I detailed things that were said directly to me at various points in my life, and things I said in response. But I guess that the irony was lost on them...)
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What's going on here? Even if this was passed, which it won't be, how on earth would it be enforced? There must be a bigger story to this?

I'm thinking the same

https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2019/10/23/massachusetts-state-lawmaker-explains-b-word-ban-bill

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Hunt said that in the filing process, however, he did not indicate that the proposal was by citizen petition, noting that "when you do that it kind of exposes the person or the individual to the scrutiny of the media and general public."

"I didn't give it much thought in retrospect," said Hunt. "I'm glad we didn't because the individual would (have) thousands of people ... calling her... as opposed to me, whose job it is to represent constituents."

He did not say whether he personally supported the bill.

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Massachusetts is the only state in the country that allows for the citizens' right to free petition under Article 19 of the commonwealth's constitution. It's a practice that dates back to 1641, according to the State Library.

"It's very routine and common, and so people are pushing back on the fact the underlying bill is unconstitutional to freedom of speech, but the intent of the framers for Article 19 was for individual constituents to have the right for their voice to be heard through their Legislature," he said Wednesday.

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And so Hunt sees a civics lesson to be learned from the situation.

He pointed to how lawmakers last year passed a law to expand civics education in public schools, including a requirement for students to complete a project to analyze issues and different perspectives.

"Now the adults are getting one, I guess," he said.

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https://www.bostonherald....ate-house/

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A bill to outlaw the B-word — the term for a female dog that is commonly used to slander women — is being slammed on both ends of the political spectrum as a case of government overreach and censorship.

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"While I detest the use of the B-word and the N-word and the word fag, etc., I love the Constitution more and question the constitutionality of bills like this," said Arline Isaacson, co-chairwoman of the Massachusetts Gay and Lesbian Political Caucus. "The concern is specifically about the right to free speech, including speech that I hate."

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"It's a very, very slippery slope and at the end of the slippery slope is the anti-Websters, the dictionary of words we can never use," conservative political consultant Chip Jones told the Herald. "We continually replace the right and responsibility of people to defend themselves from physical and emotional harm with government intervention. When we replace an individual's right or responsibility to defend themselves, we weaken people and society."

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The bill, along with about 70 others, went before the Joint Committee on the Judiciary for a hearing Tuesday at the State House. House and Senate Chairs Rep. Claire Cronin and Sen. Jamie Eldridge did not respond to requests for comment.

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The legislation titled "An Act regarding the use of offensive words," states:

"A person who uses the word 'bitch' directed at another person to

accost,

annoy,

degrade or

demean

the other person shall be considered to be a disorderly person."

Penalties for a disorderly conduct conviction include a $150 fine for a first offense and $200 or 6 months in prison for subsequent offenses.

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Rep. Daniel Hunt (D-Dorchester) told the Herald Monday that he filed the measure upon request from a constituent, who he did not identify:

"One of the responsibilities of all Representatives is to serve as a conduit for direct petitions from our constituents to the General Court. It's a long-held tradition that gives every Massachusetts resident a voice inside the halls of the State House and a chance to raise their personal interests before the legislature," Hunt wrote. "While this specific instance may amuse some and alarm others, it remains a important process for self-representation."

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Jones argued that the legislation would not pass constitutional muster and speaks to a national trend of political correctness. He also questioned whether the measure reflects gender equity.

"If we're going to ban the word bitch, why are we only protecting 51% of the population from having their feelings hurt," Jones posed. "Why are my feelings less important than a woman's? And the answer is, men have become second class citizens. Toxic masculinity. People don't like men much anymore."

Jones emphasized that it is "absolutely" unacceptable to call a woman the B-word and that he believes men and women are equal, "but I also know that men and women are not equivalent and that the differences between men and women make the world a better place."

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Charlie Kirk said California is going for criminalize speech against Trans. Won't happen.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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DJ's afraid of me. lol

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Reply #23 posted 10/29/19 10:04am

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Men call other men bitches just as much as they call women bitches. Pussy is the favorite though, and men don't even have pussys.

I'm against legislating out the word bitch - or motherfucker, which is really far worse at face value.

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Let's keep it on topic guys

A good general rule: "criticize ideas, not people."

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Men call other men bitches just as much as they call women bitches. Pussy is the favorite though, and men don't even have pussys.

I'm against legislating out the word bitch - or motherfucker, which is really far worse at face value.



I call Trump a "bitch" all the time. As well as a bastard, a scumbag, and a stinking pile of diarrheatic horse shit
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poppys said:

Men call other men bitches just as much as they call women bitches. Pussy is the favorite though, and men don't even have pussys.

I'm against legislating out the word bitch - or motherfucker, which is really far worse at face value.



I call Trump a "bitch" all the time. As well as a bastard, a scumbag, and a stinking pile of diarrheatic horse shit


He's the absolute definition of a BITCH.

My prayer cap wearing grandmother's favorite word was fudge. Arrest her for substitution!

I'm surprised Mass is the state doing this - sure it's not Miss?

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DJ's afraid of me. lol


WTFuck are you going on about now?

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poppys said:



jjhunsecker said:


poppys said:

Men call other men bitches just as much as they call women bitches. Pussy is the favorite though, and men don't even have pussys.

I'm against legislating out the word bitch - or motherfucker, which is really far worse at face value.





I call Trump a "bitch" all the time. As well as a bastard, a scumbag, and a stinking pile of diarrheatic horse shit


He's the absolute definition of a BITCH.

My prayer cap wearing grandmother's favorite word was fudge. Arrest her for substitution!

I'm surprised Mass is the state doing this - sure it's not Miss?



Trump needs to be BITCH SLAPPED
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Reply #29 posted 10/29/19 12:37pm

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poppys said:


He's the absolute definition of a BITCH.

My prayer cap wearing grandmother's favorite word was fudge. Arrest her for substitution!

I'm surprised Mass is the state doing this - sure it's not Miss?


Trump needs to be BITCH SLAPPED


Multiple times - by multiple BITCHES.

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