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Reply #180 posted 10/04/19 2:32am

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TweetyV6 said:

Wel you use a word which is very important in this context: believe.
The climate change movement has become very, very religious like.

Like with any religion, doom is preached if you don't change your behaviour.
Free of facts, full of apocalyptic fantasy.



Maplenpg said: Sorry I'm replying this way, I got impatient with trying to edit the post which chopped bits out and wouldn't let me write underneath neutral . Anyway...

Belief takes many forms. If you read the religion thread, there were many many shades between atheism and worshiping at the altar of Christ. Of course the scale of belief regarding climate change differs massively too, from those that don't believe to those that are preaching doom.

But I'm not just sure that many are preaching doom, certainly not for this century anyway. And if scientists are saying that things could get worse next century unless we take action, then we have two choices, we do something, or we do nothing. Places like the Maldives could literally have disappeared in 100 years time if we do nothing, so in my view we have to at least try to do something. The future is not honestly something I want to be selfish about, and if my life is impacted to try and save those who will live long after I've gone then I'm happy to do that. I don't see why we should be apathetic about something just because we personally might have to consume a little less, or become more aware about the consequences of our choices. I know you agree we are, in some ways, abusing our environment and I see that as a good start. Who cares whether we disagree about climate change or not? We can all be a bit kinder to the planet, surely if everyone of us just did one thing that benefited the planet then that would be a good start, no?


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Reply #181 posted 10/04/19 2:34am

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jaawwnn said:

poppys said:


I saw y'all were getting Lorenzo. Hope all is well.

They told us that 100 year storm BS after Katrina too. Now a bad rainstorm floods many parts of the city, a few times this past summer. Places that never used to flood.

We seem to have come through it without any major incidents, a loss of power here and there, thanks for asking! We'll be fine as long as they don't become regular occurrences...

That's good to hear. It'll miss me (NE England) smile

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Reply #182 posted 10/04/19 2:40am

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jaawwnn said:


We are all okay, as long as "we" are the ones living on top of the empire of eternal war.


Absolutely. This. I might even make it my signature if that's okay?

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Reply #183 posted 10/04/19 10:47am

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maplenpg said:

jaawwnn said:


We are all okay, as long as "we" are the ones living on top of the empire of eternal war.


Absolutely. This. I might even make it my signature if that's okay?

Ha! If you want, I do cringe at my own posts when I look back and see myself raging away lol

I'm pretty chill in real life.

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Reply #184 posted 10/04/19 11:46am

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jaawwnn said:

maplenpg said:

Absolutely. This. I might even make it my signature if that's okay?

Ha! If you want, I do cringe at my own posts when I look back and see myself raging away lol

I'm pretty chill in real life.

Thanks! I think we're all pretty chill in real life, even Only & Bombsquad lol

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Reply #185 posted 10/04/19 12:20pm

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maplenpg said:

jaawwnn said:

Ha! If you want, I do cringe at my own posts when I look back and see myself raging away lol

I'm pretty chill in real life.

Thanks! I think we're all pretty chill in real life, even Only & Bombsquad lol

i am uber chill... or lyft...

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Reply #186 posted 10/05/19 9:08am

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How is Pizzagate and QAnon going there Only?

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #187 posted 10/05/19 9:09am

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2freaky4church1 said:

How is Pizzagate and QAnon going there Only?

when have I ever said they were real?

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Reply #188 posted 10/06/19 11:26pm

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@Maplenpg

Here's wat NASA thought before it became 'bon-ton' to blame humanity for 'climate change'


https://techstartups.com/...dy-showed/


By the way...

Just to put things in perspective:

Why do people accept that seasonal temperature change is due to the change of distance and 'the angle of attack' of the sunlight as a result of the earth orbiting the sun

But

Have a hard time believing that the other solar variations cause climate change and rather believe that a miniscule amount (only 1 in 2500 molecules of "air") of a certain gas does?

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Reply #189 posted 10/07/19 3:17am

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TweetyV6 said:

@Maplenpg

Here's wat NASA thought before it became 'bon-ton' to blame humanity for 'climate change'


https://techstartups.com/...dy-showed/


By the way...

Just to put things in perspective:

Why do people accept that seasonal temperature change is due to the change of distance and 'the angle of attack' of the sunlight as a result of the earth orbiting the sun

But

Have a hard time believing that the other solar variations cause climate change and rather believe that a miniscule amount (only 1 in 2500 molecules of "air") of a certain gas does?

That's interesting. I hope it's true and we're all gonna be ok.

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Reply #190 posted 10/07/19 5:29am

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jaawwnn said:

TweetyV6 said:

@Maplenpg

Here's wat NASA thought before it became 'bon-ton' to blame humanity for 'climate change'


https://techstartups.com/...dy-showed/


By the way...

Just to put things in perspective:

Why do people accept that seasonal temperature change is due to the change of distance and 'the angle of attack' of the sunlight as a result of the earth orbiting the sun

But

Have a hard time believing that the other solar variations cause climate change and rather believe that a miniscule amount (only 1 in 2500 molecules of "air") of a certain gas does?

That's interesting. I hope it's true and we're all gonna be ok.

Yes, what you're seeing and experiencing is not real, only made up graphs and right wing talking points are the truth. Carry on.

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Reply #191 posted 10/07/19 6:24am

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TweetyV6 said:

@Maplenpg

Here's wat NASA thought before it became 'bon-ton' to blame humanity for 'climate change'


https://techstartups.com/...dy-showed/


By the way...

Just to put things in perspective:

Why do people accept that seasonal temperature change is due to the change of distance and 'the angle of attack' of the sunlight as a result of the earth orbiting the sun

But

Have a hard time believing that the other solar variations cause climate change and rather believe that a miniscule amount (only 1 in 2500 molecules of "air") of a certain gas does?

Thanks. There is plenty of science to support all sorts of theories. I'm open to the idea that any of them could be true. As I've said plenty of times, All I can do is do my best to be kind to the planet, something I think we largely agree on, though there is always room for us to do better.

I also have to say that I don't believe for one moment that large corporates are suddenly finding a conscience. Unilever today have anounced they will halve their use of new plastic - they currently use 700,000 tonnes per year. This has to be applauded, but I'm not naive enough to think they won't be profiting massively on the back of it (for a start, just the cost alone of 350,000 tonnes of new plastic must be huge). It's always about profit.

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Reply #192 posted 10/07/19 8:43am

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maplenpg said:

I'm proud of our young people. Do I think anything will change anytime soon? Nope sad








My teenage nephew is part of a group of 20 youth who are suing the federal government to address climate change as a threat to their futures. The case is Juliana v The United States, was begun under the Obama Admin, and has survived several appeals so far. Read here

https://www.ourchildrenst...liana-v-us

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Reply #193 posted 10/07/19 11:05am

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Blueser100 said:

maplenpg said:

I'm proud of our young people. Do I think anything will change anytime soon? Nope sad








My teenage nephew is part of a group of 20 youth who are suing the federal government to address climate change as a threat to their futures. The case is Juliana v The United States, was begun under the Obama Admin, and has survived several appeals so far. Read here

https://www.ourchildrenst...liana-v-us

Wow, that's excellent. You must be very, very proud.

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Reply #194 posted 10/07/19 12:19pm

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No comment really, I just love this photo. FWIW though, I disagree with Extinction Rebellion's tactics.


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Reply #195 posted 10/25/19 4:06am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Only, do you like dirty water, dirty air? Do you like climate refugees? Get it together dude.

air and water is cleaner now that 100 years ago... and watch out BombSquad declared we can only talk about CO2 in this topic! LOL

uhmm where did I do that? are you making stuff up again?

so please specify the exact post where I did that, or be prepared to be called a fucking desperate moronic white privileged racist LIAR



again, I explained it to the dumb ones already, who sadly are still to dumb to get it though:
I choose CO2 cause it is the most important and infulential human produced pollutant concering global warming, which this thread is about (and shut up Tweety with your failing water comparision)


but I gave you the freedom and the chance to pick any other pollutant you like to support your idiot Fox induced bullshit claim:

"also per-capita the 3rd world pollutes more... much more"



looky, a little more source on my side, though I'm still waiting for yours, failing looser



anyway even without having to do "research", any halfway intelligent human being with an IQ over 70 should be aware just by using common sense, that the 3rd world has just a fraction of the cars that we have per capita, just a fraction of the industry per capita, they don't throw away an iPhone and a Flat-Screen TV every year, any maybe also do a biiiiit less ocean cruises than we do, and so on and so on and so on and so on.

so how anyone could claim that their output per capita is higher is beyond me (even if some might have lower enviromental standards, some maybe even lower than that shithole US)


you had a few weeks. but nothing.

so are you a brainless uneducated Fox bot again?

OR CAN YOU FIND EVEN ONE POLLUTANT THAT FITS YOUR CLAIM? CAN YOU????


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Reply #196 posted 10/25/19 4:12am

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TweetyV6 said:

Let's make it factual then.
Let's have a look at her claims and what actual data have to say

Greta: “We are in the beginning of a mass extinction…”
Facts: World population will increase.
United Nations: "The world's population is expected to increase by 2 billion persons in the next 30 years, from 7.7 billion currently to 9.7 billion in 2050 [hasn't the world, or at least humanity, seized to exist by that time? wink ], according to a new United Nations report"

Life expectancy is increasing. -> http://apps.who.int/gho/d...Gv?lang=en

dumb dumber Tweety.

we have the biggest extinction and loss of species since the dinosaurs

https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/biodiversity/elements_of_biodiversity/extinction_crisis/

got any more FAILS in the pipeline?



you freaks should really seek help, you be dissing a girl way more educated and intelligent than any of you clowns will ever be LOL

https://www.youtube.com/w...49P_ZGeWq8




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Reply #197 posted 10/25/19 5:56am

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How come when we discuss this subject no one ever brings up deforestation? If we're experiencing climate change due to CO2 emissions, then it would make sense to stop (or greatly reduce) cutting down trees which turn that CO2 into oxygen. Now that Trump has federally legalized industrial hemp by rescheduling cannabis, there is no reason to ever again use trees for paper. Hemp produces 10 times the paper in 1/10th acreage and is completely renewable annually, trees take decades to renew.

But for some reason, this is never mentioned with discussing solutions. It's all about energy usage...


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Reply #198 posted 10/25/19 7:53am

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We talk about deforestation.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #199 posted 10/25/19 11:20am

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2freaky4church1 said:

We talk about deforestation.


Really?

I never hear it mentioned, at least not from the msm, when discussing causes or solutions.
It's all energy usage, fossil fuels, carbon footprint, etc...

Show me where deforestation is being discussed as a main culprit or hemp is being suggested as a big part of the solution. I'd love a link.

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Reply #200 posted 10/25/19 11:26am

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djThunderfunk said:

2freaky4church1 said:

We talk about deforestation.


Really?

I never hear it mentioned, at least not from the msm, when discussing causes or solutions.
It's all energy usage, fossil fuels, carbon footprint, etc...

Show me where deforestation is being discussed as a main culprit or hemp is being suggested as a big part of the solution. I'd love a link.

FFS - I'm supposed to be ignoring you! And it's mentioned in reply #8 of this thread!


https://www.earthday.org/...te-change/


https://www.theguardian.c...ping-point


https://www.dw.com/en/planting-1-trillion-trees-could-stop-climate-change-argues-study/a-49478494


https://inews.co.uk/inews...ter-497255

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Reply #201 posted 10/25/19 2:25pm

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maplenpg said:

djThunderfunk said:


Really?

I never hear it mentioned, at least not from the msm, when discussing causes or solutions.
It's all energy usage, fossil fuels, carbon footprint, etc...

Show me where deforestation is being discussed as a main culprit or hemp is being suggested as a big part of the solution. I'd love a link.

FFS - I'm supposed to be ignoring you! And it's mentioned in reply #8 of this thread!


https://www.earthday.org/...te-change/


https://www.theguardian.c...ping-point


https://www.dw.com/en/planting-1-trillion-trees-could-stop-climate-change-argues-study/a-49478494


https://inews.co.uk/inews...ter-497255

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FFS, who asked you? lol

I didn't read reply #8, or most of the thread.

So good. I'm glad. They don't go far enough about hemp as a replacement for paper, though. We could stop all production of paper from trees immediately. Somebody needs to get on that. It's a no-brainer.

Also, all the gretas, AOCs and extinction rebellions should make that their focus instead of guilting people about carbon footprints if they want more support and less resistance.






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Reply #202 posted 10/25/19 11:06pm

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djThunderfunk said:

maplenpg said:

FFS - I'm supposed to be ignoring you! And it's mentioned in reply #8 of this thread!


https://www.earthday.org/...te-change/


https://www.theguardian.c...ping-point


https://www.dw.com/en/planting-1-trillion-trees-could-stop-climate-change-argues-study/a-49478494


https://inews.co.uk/inews...ter-497255

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FFS, who asked you? lol

I didn't read reply #8, or most of the thread.

So good. I'm glad. They don't go far enough about hemp as a replacement for paper, though. We could stop all production of paper from trees immediately. Somebody needs to get on that. It's a no-brainer.

Also, all the gretas, AOCs and extinction rebellions should make that their focus instead of guilting people about carbon footprints if they want more support and less resistance.






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Okay - if we're going to be civil, then I'll respond. I think one of the reasons hemp isn't used more is because of the dust that is created (workers have to have yearly health checks), and because of the length of time it takes to 'ret' (break down) the hemp, about six weeks. This makes the process much more lengthy and costly.

Also one of the biggest causes of destruction of the rainforest is for palm oil, not paper. That is where I believe a big focus should be placed. Plus on why the people feel driven to illegally farm the rainforest - let's tackle the poverty issue.

I think there is a big difference between what we can do as mere humans, and what the politicians are capable of doing. I doubt huge sweeping changes will come, despite the protests, from the politicians. Yet we are capable of making consumer choices, whether to avoid palm oil, unnecessary plastic - whatever. I maintain if we all do a little, then we can make a lot of difference.

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Reply #203 posted 10/26/19 5:41am

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maplenpg said:

djThunderfunk said:



FFS, who asked you? lol

I didn't read reply #8, or most of the thread.

So good. I'm glad. They don't go far enough about hemp as a replacement for paper, though. We could stop all production of paper from trees immediately. Somebody needs to get on that. It's a no-brainer.

Also, all the gretas, AOCs and extinction rebellions should make that their focus instead of guilting people about carbon footprints if they want more support and less resistance.






[Edited 10/25/19 14:29pm]

Okay - if we're going to be civil, then I'll respond. I think one of the reasons hemp isn't used more is because of the dust that is created (workers have to have yearly health checks), and because of the length of time it takes to 'ret' (break down) the hemp, about six weeks. This makes the process much more lengthy and costly.

Also one of the biggest causes of destruction of the rainforest is for palm oil, not paper. That is where I believe a big focus should be placed. Plus on why the people feel driven to illegally farm the rainforest - let's tackle the poverty issue.

I think there is a big difference between what we can do as mere humans, and what the politicians are capable of doing. I doubt huge sweeping changes will come, despite the protests, from the politicians. Yet we are capable of making consumer choices, whether to avoid palm oil, unnecessary plastic - whatever. I maintain if we all do a little, then we can make a lot of difference.


The rain forest and palm oil are a problem, but eliminating trees for paper would make a huge difference in deforestation. 35% of all harvested trees (80,000-160,000 DAILY) are used for paper. This single change would make more difference than any carbon tax, or guilting people who eat meat.


https://www.quora.com/How...-for-paper



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Reply #204 posted 10/26/19 7:36am

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BombSquad said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

air and water is cleaner now that 100 years ago... and watch out BombSquad declared we can only talk about CO2 in this topic! LOL

uhmm where did I do that? are you making stuff up again?

so please specify the exact post where I did that, or be prepared to be called a fucking desperate moronic white privileged racist LIAR



again, I explained it to the dumb ones already, who sadly are still to dumb to get it though:
I choose CO2 cause it is the most important and infulential human produced pollutant concering global warming, which this thread is about (and shut up Tweety with your failing water comparision)



Hey Dumbsquad,

Guess what, I won't be shut up by scientific nitwits as you are.

WATER makes 80-95% (depending on the relative humidity) as a result of a Physical Property of polar gasses like H20, CO2, O2 and O3 that they absorb a certain range in the IR light spectrum and transform that into heat.

And for CO2 that range is very small and low energetic.

That's scientifically established loooong time ago and is not disputed by anyone.
https://agupubs.onlinelib.../92JD02887

Combining that with the FACT that there's only 410ppm AND that only a small part of that is added by humans then our contribution to the Green House Effect is NOT MEASURABLE.

Don't think you're smarter then me on this one. UR not.

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Reply #205 posted 10/26/19 7:40am

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BombSquad said:

TweetyV6 said:

Let's make it factual then.
Let's have a look at her claims and what actual data have to say

Greta: “We are in the beginning of a mass extinction…”
Facts: World population will increase.
United Nations: "The world's population is expected to increase by 2 billion persons in the next 30 years, from 7.7 billion currently to 9.7 billion in 2050 [hasn't the world, or at least humanity, seized to exist by that time? wink ], according to a new United Nations report"

Life expectancy is increasing. -> http://apps.who.int/gho/d...Gv?lang=en

dumb dumber Tweety.

we have the biggest extinction and loss of species since the dinosaurs

https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/biodiversity/elements_of_biodiversity/extinction_crisis/

got any more FAILS in the pipeline?



you freaks should really seek help, you be dissing a girl way more educated and intelligent than any of you clowns will ever be LOL

https://www.youtube.com/w...49P_ZGeWq8




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and where, oh where, is she talking about biodiversity??
She's fucking talking about herself. She's atlling about mankind. She's afraid to die. Very soon.
Idiot.

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Reply #206 posted 10/26/19 7:50am

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Reply #207 posted 10/26/19 9:31am

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djThunderfunk said:

maplenpg said:

Okay - if we're going to be civil, then I'll respond. I think one of the reasons hemp isn't used more is because of the dust that is created (workers have to have yearly health checks), and because of the length of time it takes to 'ret' (break down) the hemp, about six weeks. This makes the process much more lengthy and costly.

Also one of the biggest causes of destruction of the rainforest is for palm oil, not paper. That is where I believe a big focus should be placed. Plus on why the people feel driven to illegally farm the rainforest - let's tackle the poverty issue.

I think there is a big difference between what we can do as mere humans, and what the politicians are capable of doing. I doubt huge sweeping changes will come, despite the protests, from the politicians. Yet we are capable of making consumer choices, whether to avoid palm oil, unnecessary plastic - whatever. I maintain if we all do a little, then we can make a lot of difference.


The rain forest and palm oil are a problem, but eliminating trees for paper would make a huge difference in deforestation. 35% of all harvested trees (80,000-160,000 DAILY) are used for paper. This single change would make more difference than any carbon tax, or guilting people who eat meat.


https://www.quora.com/How...-for-paper



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I'm going to do some more research on this in my own time DJ. For now I will say thank you, you've given me something to think about. Hope you'll consider going palm oil free too... biggrin

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Reply #208 posted 10/26/19 10:27am

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TweetyV6 said:

BombSquad said:

uhmm where did I do that? are you making stuff up again?

so please specify the exact post where I did that, or be prepared to be called a fucking desperate moronic white privileged racist LIAR



again, I explained it to the dumb ones already, who sadly are still to dumb to get it though:
I choose CO2 cause it is the most important and infulential human produced pollutant concering global warming, which this thread is about (and shut up Tweety with your failing water comparision)



Hey Dumbsquad,

Guess what, I won't be shut up by scientific nitwits as you are.

WATER makes 80-95% (depending on the relative humidity) as a result of a Physical Property of polar gasses like H20, CO2, O2 and O3 that they absorb a certain range in the IR light spectrum and transform that into heat.

And for CO2 that range is very small and low energetic.

That's scientifically established loooong time ago and is not disputed by anyone.
https://agupubs.onlinelib.../92JD02887

Combining that with the FACT that there's only 410ppm AND that only a small part of that is added by humans then our contribution to the Green House Effect is NOT MEASURABLE.

Don't think you're smarter then me on this one. UR not.

No Bombsquad, none of us could possibly be smarter. Don't you know Tweety knows more than NASA?

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Reply #209 posted 10/26/19 10:28am

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poppys said:

This is only getting bigger

Pacific plastic dump far larger than feared: study

See the source image

When you consider we've only been using plastic for a relatively short time, it's really frightening. I am now actively and consciously trying to reduce my plastic use. I'd be all for laws forcing plastic reduction onto companies ASAP.

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