DiminutiveRocker said:

SoulAlive said:

Grab some popcorn.....this scandal is getting interesting!

indeed it is

When they described the documents as amateurishly produced and consisting of debunked conspiracy theories, who else immediately thought Giuliani?

Here's a clip from Giuliani and Lue Dobbs talking about his "investigation' (the amateurish conspiracy theory outline)

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Kinda sad and I feel sorry for them. Senile old fools babbling.

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https://youtu.be/fuX6YQBLOa0

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

When they described the documents as amateurishly produced and consisting of debunked conspiracy theories, who else immediately thought Giuliani?

State Department inspector general gives Congress documents that Giuliani provided

https://www.huffpost.com/...1570064571

CNN)The State Department inspector general provided Congress on Wednesday with documents that included materials President Donald Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani had given to the department earlier this year containing unproven claims about Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter.

The documents, which were obtained by CNN, include claims against the Bidens that formed the basis of President Donald Trump's accusations in his July call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, as well as accusations against former US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, who was recalled earlier this year and whom Trump also criticized in the call. In addition, the packet contains internal State Department emails from officials discussing articles critical of Yovanovitch, calling some of it a "fake narrative."

There is no evidence of wrongdoing by either Joe or Hunter Biden.

Giuliani told CNN on Wednesday evening that some of the documents provided to Congress by the State Department's inspector general had originated with him.

the lie there is not reason to believe there was no wrong doing by hunter and joe is so silly... Joe was braging how he got the guy fired.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

When they described the documents as amateurishly produced and consisting of debunked conspiracy theories, who else immediately thought Giuliani?

State Department inspector general gives Congress documents that Giuliani provided

https://www.huffpost.com/...1570064571

CNN)The State Department inspector general provided Congress on Wednesday with documents that included materials President Donald Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani had given to the department earlier this year containing unproven claims about Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter.

The documents, which were obtained by CNN, include claims against the Bidens that formed the basis of President Donald Trump's accusations in his July call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, as well as accusations against former US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, who was recalled earlier this year and whom Trump also criticized in the call. In addition, the packet contains internal State Department emails from officials discussing articles critical of Yovanovitch, calling some of it a "fake narrative."

There is no evidence of wrongdoing by either Joe or Hunter Biden.

Giuliani told CNN on Wednesday evening that some of the documents provided to Congress by the State Department's inspector general had originated with him.

the lie there is not reason to believe there was no wrong doing by hunter and joe is so silly... Joe was braging how he got the guy fired.

Possibly.

But that's a completely different issue.

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The issue here is Pompeo, Barr and Trump are busted for crimes and a coverup.

Nice summarizing article by a Dutch newspaper:

Again, the Democrats want to impeach Trump. First it was because of a "conspiracy" between Trump and Putin to win the 2016 election of Hillary Clinton, this time Trump must be praised because he wants to conspire with the President of Ukraine to defeat Joe Biden in the 2020 elections.

Both affairs are inventions, created by Democrats and the media, who have almost entirely committed themselves to the Democratic Party.

What is the essence of the new affair? On July 25, Trump called with President Zelenski of Ukraine. He did not do this in secret but in front of many. Richard Bernstein, professor of constitutional law at Stanford University, wrote that Trump was having that conversation "in a fishbowl in the midst of a crowd of professional note-makers and a team of Ukraine connoisseurs in the White House situation room."

An anonymous "whistleblower" reported that conversation. He said that Trump wanted to illegally influence the 2020 elections through Ukraine by asking for an investigation into Hunter Biden, Joe Bidens son. Hunter had a high-paying job at the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, suspected of corruption.

In a now notorious video, Joe Biden boasted during a public debate about his ability to get a Ukrainian investigating judge fired. In that video, he says with taste that he would withhold a billion dollars in support for the then government if that investigating judge were not dismissed.

Laid off
The Democrats and the media are silent about the following: that investigating judge has indicated why he had to be fired. In an official document he declares under oath: "I was thrown out because I was investigating widespread corruption of Burisma, a gas company in Ukraine, and Joe Bidens son Hunter was a member of the Supervisory Board. (...) Several times President Poroshenko asked me (...) to consider the possibility of phasing out the investigation into this company, but I refused to stop my investigation. So I was forced to leave my post under the direct and intense pressure of Joe Biden and the US government. "

What is also important to know: Hunter was by no means a Ukraine expert, nor did he know anything about gas exploration. He got this dream job, worth $ 50,000 a month, after his father became US Vice President. Burisma was investigated, including Hunter Biden, and Hunter's father forced Ukraine to stop the investigation otherwise he withdrew a billion dollars.
Surely it is strange that the Western media do not want to share this scandal with you?
Trump does not start this affair during the telephone conversation. That is what Ukrainian President Zelenski is doing. Trump does not threaten, does not put pressure on Zelensky. Zelenski wants an investigation to see if Ukrainian laws have been violated.
Trump undertook nothing illegal, according to the transcript of the telephone conversation published by the White House.

Bernstein: "The only correct assessment is that the whistleblower was reckless if not unfair by filing the complaint."
The whistleblower - an anonymous CIA agent stationed in the White House - was not at the phone call. He confesses what he says in his complaint. This goes against the strict rules with regard to reports by whistleblowers. They must have directly witnessed what is forbidden. But that is not the case here, as is also apparent from the many incorrect reports in the declaration, which do not correspond with the report of the telephone conversation.
The whistleblower's report based on information from third parties should therefore never have been processed. And yet that happened. Why? Because somewhere in August, after the declaration had already arrived at a number of Democrats, the CIA statutes for whistleblowers were suddenly amended; suddenly a declaration could be made with the information "to hear it said".

An American journalist turned up this remarkable fact, but the CIA refuses to give further explanation of this surprising and unannounced change in the rules that made this declaration possible.

Coordination

All this suggests coordination between the whistleblower, Democrats and government forces, in particular the CIA, to defame Trump and expel him from the White House before the 2020 elections.
The Democrats and the media never accepted the 2016 elections. The non-politician and ordinary project developer Donald Trump should never have won. The democratic process has not been recognized by the left since then, so he is demonized like no other president before him. The danger is great that Trump 2020 will win. So he has to leave before it is that far.
This is again, after Russiagate, a "soft" coup of anti-Trumpist groups of friends at the CIA and FBI in collusion with the Democratic Party, kept out of the media. I increasingly doubt that adjective "soft".

Something with shooting & feet...

TweetyV6 said:

Nice summarizing article by a Dutch newspaper:

Again, the Democrats want to impeach Trump. First it was because of a "conspiracy" between Trump and Putin to win the 2016 election of Hillary Clinton, this time Trump must be praised because he wants to conspire with the President of Ukraine to defeat Joe Biden in the 2020 elections.

Both affairs are inventions, created by Democrats and the media, who have almost entirely committed themselves to the Democratic Party.

What is the essence of the new affair? On July 25, Trump called with President Zelenski of Ukraine. He did not do this in secret but in front of many. Richard Bernstein, professor of constitutional law at Stanford University, wrote that Trump was having that conversation "in a fishbowl in the midst of a crowd of professional note-makers and a team of Ukraine connoisseurs in the White House situation room."

An anonymous "whistleblower" reported that conversation. He said that Trump wanted to illegally influence the 2020 elections through Ukraine by asking for an investigation into Hunter Biden, Joe Bidens son. Hunter had a high-paying job at the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, suspected of corruption...

...The Democrats and the media never accepted the 2016 elections. The non-politician and ordinary project developer Donald Trump should never have won. The democratic process has not been recognized by the left since then, so he is demonized like no other president before him. The danger is great that Trump 2020 will win. So he has to leave before it is that far.

Something with shooting & feet...

Do they have a Fox "news" desk in the Netherlands???

Hope your country never needs to "invent" a "whistleblower". All your politicians and "ordinary project developers" are 100% honest? Good for you!

When George W. Bush's father was Vice President, he got a baseball team.

His partners wanted to buy access to the White House. Nothing illegal about that, and no one - NO ONE - said George H. W. Bush should be impeached because his son was given a deal that no one else had ever got to purchase a major league baseball team.

Clearly, unrepentant serial adulterer Donald J. Trump is unhinged and receiving bad advice from Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Rudy Giuliani - three more unhinged lunatics.


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The Washington Post

Odd markings, ellipses fuel doubts about the ‘rough transcript’ of Trump’s Ukraine call

...The whistleblower said in his complaint that multiple U.S. officials had alerted him that “senior White House officials had intervened to ‘lock down’ all records of the phone call, especially the official word-for-word transcript of the call that was produced — as is customary — by the White House Situation Room. This set of actions underscored to me that White House officials understood the gravity of what had transpired in the call.“

Such phone calls also typically create at least two types of documents: a verbatim transcript made by note-takers in the White House Situation Room and an edited summary that is more widely circulated.

“The one that was released is not the one the Situation Room created,” said one person familiar with the creation of records of calls with foreign leaders who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the secretive process. “That’s just not possible.”

Well, there is video of all the different excuse and version of things Trump has claimed happed. It's ever changing as facts come out.

That alone is what is widely considered in clinical terms as "lying through your ass"

poppys said:

TweetyV6 said:

Nice summarizing article by a Dutch newspaper:

Something with shooting & feet...

Do they have a Fox "news" desk in the Netherlands???

Hope your country never needs to "invent" a "whistleblower". All your politicians and "ordinary project developers" are 100% honest? Good for you!

That poster has zero credibility on US politics.

SoulAlive said:

what a day

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Well, so now he isn't even pretending he never asked.

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Now it's of course!

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and openly asked China and Ukraine on live TV

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and

there is a call to China where Trump asked about both Biden and Warren

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there is a text where officials were saying that it was crazy to hold the money on exchange for political dirt.

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A prerequisite that the Ukraine send out an official statement that they were investigating Biden before there was a face to face talks

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A few other things

[Edited 10/3/19 17:34pm]

In a sane world, Trump, Barr, Pompeo and Pence would be escorted out of the White House right now. Executive privilege my ass.

poppys said:

TweetyV6 said:

Nice summarizing article by a Dutch newspaper:

Something with shooting & feet...

Do they have a Fox "news" desk in the Netherlands???

Hope your country never needs to "invent" a "whistleblower". All your politicians and "ordinary project developers" are 100% honest? Good for you!

What of this part:

Trump does not start this affair during the telephone conversation. That is what Ukrainian President Zelenski is doing. Trump does not threaten, does not put pressure on Zelensky. Zelenski wants an investigation to see if Ukrainian laws have been violated.
Trump undertook nothing illegal, according to the transcript of the telephone conversation published by the White House.

Bernstein: "The only correct assessment is that the whistleblower was reckless if not unfair by filing the complaint."
The whistleblower - an anonymous CIA agent stationed in the White House - was not at the phone call. He confesses what he says in his complaint. This goes against the strict rules with regard to reports by whistleblowers. They must have directly witnessed what is forbidden. But that is not the case here, as is also apparent from the many incorrect reports in the declaration, which do not correspond with the report of the telephone conversation.
The whistleblower's report based on information from third parties should therefore never have been processed. And yet that happened. Why? Because somewhere in August, after the declaration had already arrived at a number of Democrats, the CIA statutes for whistleblowers were suddenly amended; suddenly a declaration could be made with the information "to hear it said".

Don't you understand?

And this:

Hunter was by no means a Ukraine expert, nor did he know anything about gas exploration. He got this dream job, worth $ 50,000 a month, after his father became US Vice President. Burisma was investigated, including Hunter Biden, and Hunter's father forced Ukraine to stop the investigation otherwise he withdrew a billion dollars.

That's what you tipically would call corruption.

TweetyV6 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

TweetyV6 said:

Debunked

Appreciate if you'd direct me to how/where. Then I could revise my opinion.

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

TweetyV6 said:

That's what you tipically would call corruption.

Debunked

Yep, DEBUNKED. Poor litttle snowflakes can't accept the truth. Ever.

Rick Perry resigning from Dept of Energy. politico.com

Perry has drawn scrutiny because he led the U.S. delegation to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's inauguration in May, a visit that came as the administration was trying to determine whether the new leader would be amenable to Trump's demands, according to a whistleblower's report that the White House released last week. Perry was a last-minute replacement for Vice President Mike Pence, who is facing mounting questions about his own role in the scandal.

No evidence has emerged that Perry was directly involved with Trump’s attempt to drum up an investigation focused on his political opponent, but Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J) earlier this week sent a letter to Perry requesting information about his activities and interactions there.

2nd whistleblower contemplates coming forward

The official, a member of the intelligence community, was interviewed by the inspector general to corroborate the original whistle-blower’s account.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/us/politics/second-trump-whistleblower.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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[Edited 10/4/19 18:14pm]

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

tt Romney✔@MittRomney

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When the only American citizen President Trump singles out for China’s investigation is his political opponent in the midst of the Democratic nomination process, it strains credulity to suggest that it is anything other than politically motivated.

Mitt Romney✔@MittRomney

By all appearances, the President’s brazen and unprecedented appeal to China and to Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden is wrong and appalling.

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9:02 AM - Oct 4, 2019

So do we take that as, he'll vote to impeach Trump? OR Just complaining but will vote against impeachment.

Romney is not in Congress. Posted above he is leaving the DOE soon.

poppys said:

Romney is not in Congress. Posted above he is leaving the DOE soon.

I know Poppy's, he's in the Senate. When it goes to the Senate, can we take this that he will cast a vote to impeach?

PennyPurple said:

poppys said:

Romney is not in Congress. Posted above he is leaving the DOE soon.

I know Poppy's, he's in the Senate. When it goes to the Senate, can we take this that he will cast a vote to impeach?

Oh gosh, I forgot he's a Utah Senator - replacing Trump #1 butt kisser Orrin Hatch. Highly unlikely he would vote to impeach, unless all the deep red staters do.

poppys said:

PennyPurple said:

I know Poppy's, he's in the Senate. When it goes to the Senate, can we take this that he will cast a vote to impeach?

Oh gosh, I forgot he's a Utah Senator - replacing Trump #1 butt kisser Orrin Hatch. Highly unlikely he would vote to impeach, unless all the deep red staters do.

Yeah, he says all of this stuff on his twitter feed but when it comes down to it, is he gonna throw down to impeach or is he just all talk?

And now there may be a 2nd whistle blower. Good, hopefully they'll get the balls to come forward.

PennyPurple said:

poppys said:

Oh gosh, I forgot he's a Utah Senator - replacing Trump #1 butt kisser Orrin Hatch. Highly unlikely he would vote to impeach, unless all the deep red staters do.

Yeah, he says all of this stuff on his twitter feed but when it comes down to it, is he gonna throw down to impeach or is he just all talk?

And now there may be a 2nd whistle blower. Good, hopefully they'll get the balls to come forward.

He's got 5 more years, he likely won't do shit about Trump. Even the ones who hate him quit instead of stay and fight. Jeff Flake is bitching from the sidelines.

poppys said: