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Lets talk Biden. Generational inappropriateness a sign you’re out of “touch”

So far we’ve heard he’d kissed a women on the back of the head, rubbed a woman’s shoulders, and rubbed noses with another. Of course this is weird an in this age not tolerable especially a public figure. Is this a sign where you can apologize and learn or is it a sign that there comes a time to fade away gracefully as time has kissed you on the back of the head telling you it’s time to make room for someone else?

Granted, so far without any additional accusations as of this post I personally believe none of it was sexual or meant as harassment but just generational.
Additionally I think the women are seemingly oblivious to this fact and not self aware enough to get it, and just as out of touch as Biden. A private conversation with Biden by these women seems like the adult and responsible thing to do. The way they proceeded with this makes me question their qualifications to lead.
But two things, yes, airing this publicity and embarrassing Biden makes a difference in moving the ball forward. Two, this may empower others who have been truly harassed to come
Forward.

if more serious allegations come forward then that’s a different story.
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Reply #1 posted 04/01/19 4:01pm

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I think this lady's allegation of "invading my personal space" is so stupid as to warrant mockery.

She is the very definition of "snowflake" and needs to get out of the world of politics before someone tells her something devastating, like that she can't accessorize, which will probably cause her to have a nervous breakdown.


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Reply #2 posted 04/01/19 4:31pm

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RodeoSchro said:

I think this lady's allegation of "invading my personal space" is so stupid as to warrant mockery.

She is the very definition of "snowflake" and needs to get out of the world of politics before someone tells her something devastating, like that she can't accessorize, which will probably cause her to have a nervous breakdown.


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We all know times have changed and the type of behavior Biden is accused of (so far) is not cool. She should speak out and let it be known that women or anyone else should not be put in that situation. I find it patronizing more than anything else. (But god knows, things can and have jumped out of the closet), for me it’s the infantile way she handled it, out loud and in public instead of taking him to the side and telling him to his face in private. Especially if you’re going to talk about it years later. That’s sleazy and petty more than anything else. Way more so than him being touchy.
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Reply #3 posted 04/01/19 4:35pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

RodeoSchro said:

I think this lady's allegation of "invading my personal space" is so stupid as to warrant mockery.

She is the very definition of "snowflake" and needs to get out of the world of politics before someone tells her something devastating, like that she can't accessorize, which will probably cause her to have a nervous breakdown.


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We all know times have changed and the type of behavior Biden is accused of (so far) is not cool. She should speak out and let it be known that women or anyone else should not be put in that situation. I find it patronizing more than anything else. (But god knows, things can and have jumped out of the closet), for me it’s the infantile way she handled it, out loud and in public instead of taking him to the side and telling him to his face in private. Especially if you’re going to talk about it years later. That’s sleazy and petty more than anything else. Way more so than him being touchy. [Edited 4/1/19 16:33pm]



I completely agree.

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Reply #4 posted 04/01/19 5:02pm

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There’s a post going around with around 10 pictures of Biden getting up close and personal with different women awkwardly. He’s done as a candidate.
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Reply #5 posted 04/01/19 5:18pm

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RodeoSchro said:

I think this lady's allegation of "invading my personal space" is so stupid as to warrant mockery.

She is the very definition of "snowflake" and needs to get out of the world of politics before someone tells her something devastating, like that she can't accessorize, which will probably cause her to have a nervous breakdown.

falloff yeah, definitely a stretch.

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nd33 said:

There’s a post going around with around 10 pictures of Biden getting up close and personal with different women awkwardly. He’s done as a candidate.


Yeah no. It has to be at least a fraction as bad as Trump. So far nothing other than kinda creepy.
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Reply #7 posted 04/01/19 5:49pm

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I feel I have to temper my words because we’ve seen how quickly things change. I think we have seen too many supposedly decent men (Bill Cosby) turn out to be far from decent men.
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Reply #8 posted 04/01/19 5:53pm

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I don't think he will run now....but hey, we elected a President that bragged about grabbing women by the pussy............

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Reply #9 posted 04/01/19 6:43pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

nd33 said:

There’s a post going around with around 10 pictures of Biden getting up close and personal with different women awkwardly. He’s done as a candidate.


Yeah no. It has to be at least a fraction as bad as Trump. So far nothing other than kinda creepy.


Yeah no, back at you. The reason why this is different, is that Biden is getting called out by his own side of the political spectrum. His own political base is now hesitant to vote for him. Independent progressives won’t touch him now with a ten foot pole. He’s done as a candidate.
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Reply #10 posted 04/01/19 6:47pm

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What happened to #BeliveHer? oh, it is against one of your own? "that is nothing!"

It will be funny to watch your side eat itself...

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Reply #11 posted 04/01/19 6:59pm

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nd33 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:



Yeah no. It has to be at least a fraction as bad as Trump. So far nothing other than kinda creepy.


Yeah no, back at you. The reason why this is different, is that Biden is getting called out by his own side of the political spectrum. His own political base is now hesitant to vote for him. Independent progressives won’t touch him now with a ten foot pole. He’s done as a candidate.


Yeah because his party, unlike the Trump morons have a little something called integrity and decency. But we’re not a homogeneous bulk or stupidity like a trump supporters. We all think for ourselves.
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Reply #12 posted 04/01/19 7:11pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

nd33 said:
Yeah no, back at you. The reason why this is different, is that Biden is getting called out by his own side of the political spectrum. His own political base is now hesitant to vote for him. Independent progressives won’t touch him now with a ten foot pole. He’s done as a candidate.
Yeah because his party, unlike the Trump morons have a little something called integrity and decency. But we’re not a homogeneous bulk or stupidity like a trump supporters. We all think for ourselves.

but Joe likes to openly fondle little girls

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Reply #13 posted 04/01/19 7:24pm

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All I care about at this point is those who use power to abuse others. Those that felt a momentary bit of discomfort are on their own in my book. Figure it out and lets move on. I hate this because people in this world who are truly being trompled over are getting ignored and shoved aside again because of those who are using these kind of accusations as an ace the pocket to wield as a weapon of control.

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Reply #14 posted 04/02/19 6:57am

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And here we go again!

Our favorite radical right-wing Republicans are horrified - HORRIFIED - that Joe Biden is a hugger. And yet, for some reason I surely can't fathom, they have no problem with Donald Trump being a serial adulterer who's bragged about trying to screw another man's wife; been accused of sexual harrassment by dozens of women (sued by at least one of them); and been accused of raping a 13-year-old girl at the home of notorious pedophile Jefferey Epstein.

MAGA indeed, LOL.

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I don't have a side.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #16 posted 04/02/19 7:14am

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2freaky4church1 said:

I don't have a side.


It’s ot about sides. Either you have a moral compass or you’re waiting for your favorite talking head to tell you what to think.
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Reply #17 posted 04/02/19 9:29pm

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RodeoSchro said:

I think this lady's allegation of "invading my personal space" is so stupid as to warrant mockery.

She is the very definition of "snowflake" and needs to get out of the world of politics before someone tells her something devastating, like that she can't accessorize, which will probably cause her to have a nervous breakdown.


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I agree with this statement wholeheartedly.

1. Biden has been just as affecionate with men:




2. She was (or is) a Bernie Sanders advocate and the timing of this is questionable.

3. She stated she felt uncomfortable and froze, even I would not freeze in that situation, and I'm a survivor of sexual assault and abuse. If she freezes in that situation, then she would not be able to handle any kind of crisis that comes up because her natural instinct would be to freeze up. She does not seem like that kind of person.

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Reply #18 posted 04/02/19 10:40pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

What happened to #BeliveHer? oh, it is against one of your own? "that is nothing!"


Did you expect anything other then that?
Wonder how big the outcry would have been if would have been Trump.

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Reply #19 posted 04/02/19 10:49pm

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TweetyV6 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

What happened to #BeliveHer? oh, it is against one of your own? "that is nothing!"


Did you expect anything other then that?
Wonder how big the outcry would have been if would have been Trump.



I am a strong advocate for believing women and it never had to do with politics. However, since Trump came into office, sexual assault, rape, sexual harassment have become politicized. And this is something that should NEVER be politicized. But this situation is not those situations. This is a very strong willed advocate who claims that she felt uncomfortable when Biden put his hands on her shoulder and kissed the top of her head. This is a woman who has been strong about speaking out against sexual assault and sexual harassment, who suddenly "froze up" when she claims to have faced it herself. The facts do not fit for me.

Someone who strongly speaks out about these things would NOT have waited 5 years to make the claim. She would have spoken up much sooner, because it would have helped the cause that she claims to fight for. The fact that she has waited until there is speculation that he might run for president, and she has been an avid Bernie Sanders supporter - which Biden would be Sanders toughest competitor - tells me that her coming out with this now is politically motivated and nothing else. There is a picture of her and Biden later in the day at that same event in which she has her hand on Biden's shoulder and is close behind him, to get a selfie taken with him. That does not speak of a woman who "froze up" at an unwanted touch.

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Reply #20 posted 04/03/19 12:00am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

but Joe likes to openly fondle little girls

hahaha, some bots got their daily marching order from Fox LOL

just as predictable as pathetic

Ideally speaking, the President of the United States and the dumbest person in the country would be two different people. Oh well....
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Reply #21 posted 04/03/19 12:09am

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benni said:

TweetyV6 said:


Did you expect anything other then that?
Wonder how big the outcry would have been if would have been Trump.



I am a strong advocate for believing women and it never had to do with politics. However, since Trump came into office, sexual assault, rape, sexual harassment have become politicized. And this is something that should NEVER be politicized. But this situation is not those situations. This is a very strong willed advocate who claims that she felt uncomfortable when Biden put his hands on her shoulder and kissed the top of her head. This is a woman who has been strong about speaking out against sexual assault and sexual harassment, who suddenly "froze up" when she claims to have faced it herself. The facts do not fit for me.

Someone who strongly speaks out about these things would NOT have waited 5 years to make the claim. She would have spoken up much sooner, because it would have helped the cause that she claims to fight for. The fact that she has waited until there is speculation that he might run for president, and she has been an avid Bernie Sanders supporter - which Biden would be Sanders toughest competitor - tells me that her coming out with this now is politically motivated and nothing else. There is a picture of her and Biden later in the day at that same event in which she has her hand on Biden's shoulder and is close behind him, to get a selfie taken with him. That does not speak of a woman who "froze up" at an unwanted touch.

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As a fellow survivor of childhood sexual abuse, I don't agree.

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She may have political motives but as a strong advocate for survivors she would know the cruel damage that can be done by false claims.

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There is nothing odd at all about her keeping quiet - this is the absolutely standard response of so many survivors - even if they have been advocates for others in the past.

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That he is too touchy feely with men, women and children is well known and not an excuse. I know the shots are highly selective to maximise damage but the questions should be:

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- Is he just a creepy uncle or worse?

- Is that he has not learned from the backlash and bad press he received as VP and the current Grabber in Chief has recieved a sign that he is not the person for the US from 2021 on?

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Reply #22 posted 04/03/19 5:29am

poppys

^^ Oh Jesus.

I'm with benni on this one. Also a survivor of sexual abuse, both childhood and adult.

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Reply #23 posted 04/03/19 6:05am

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IanRG said:

benni said:



I am a strong advocate for believing women and it never had to do with politics. However, since Trump came into office, sexual assault, rape, sexual harassment have become politicized. And this is something that should NEVER be politicized. But this situation is not those situations. This is a very strong willed advocate who claims that she felt uncomfortable when Biden put his hands on her shoulder and kissed the top of her head. This is a woman who has been strong about speaking out against sexual assault and sexual harassment, who suddenly "froze up" when she claims to have faced it herself. The facts do not fit for me.

Someone who strongly speaks out about these things would NOT have waited 5 years to make the claim. She would have spoken up much sooner, because it would have helped the cause that she claims to fight for. The fact that she has waited until there is speculation that he might run for president, and she has been an avid Bernie Sanders supporter - which Biden would be Sanders toughest competitor - tells me that her coming out with this now is politically motivated and nothing else. There is a picture of her and Biden later in the day at that same event in which she has her hand on Biden's shoulder and is close behind him, to get a selfie taken with him. That does not speak of a woman who "froze up" at an unwanted touch.

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As a fellow survivor of childhood sexual abuse, I don't agree.

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She may have political motives but as a strong advocate for survivors she would know the cruel damage that can be done by false claims.

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There is nothing odd at all about her keeping quiet - this is the absolutely standard response of so many survivors - even if they have been advocates for others in the past.

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That he is too touchy feely with men, women and children is well known and not an excuse. I know the shots are highly selective to maximise damage but the questions should be:

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- Is he just a creepy uncle or worse?

- Is that he has not learned from the backlash and bad press he received as VP and the current Grabber in Chief has recieved a sign that he is not the person for the US from 2021 on?


Ian, you know I have often respected your opinion, however, we've often disagreed when it has come to such situations. I don't know if you are in the United States (for some reason, I have always pictured you from being in another country), and if you aren't, perhaps it's some cultural difference.

She is not a "survivor". Her description of what occured was that he put his hands on her shoulders, smelled her hair, and planted a slow kiss on the top of her head and it felt "demeaning and disrespectful". I don't know about you, but I never described my abuse as "demeaning and disrespectful" but have described it has harmful, painful, and have always used stronger words. That's not to say that it wasn't demeaning and disrespectful, but those words don't quite do it justice. One can be "demeaned" by being forced to apologize for something they didn't do. She felt as though she was undervalued as a woman, because he did this. But at no time did she state it was sexual in nature. That's why I said "this is not those situations" because it's not. It's more that she was offended because he thought it was alright to demean a woman in that way - to treat her as a little girl instead of the strong woman that she is.

She said that if this was done at a place of employment to a staffer, that staffer would say, this was very weird and it made me feel very uncomfortable and he needs to stop doing this, and that staffer would have someone to go to, to make a complaint. She felt uncomfortable and thought it was a weird thing for him to do. "He invaded her personal space."

As such, the fact that she felt undervalued as a woman, and does not claim that it was sexual in nature, her claiming to "freeze up" makes no sense to me, nor does it make sense for a sexual assault adovcate and women's rights to not bring it up, until he considers running for president. Flores told CNN she believes Biden's alleged behavior is "disqualifying" for a 2020 run. "I find a lot of his background problematic," she said. And yet we have a "pussy grabber" for a president, a man who has been accused by 19 or 24 women of actual sexual assault, who demeans women constantly, as president. He has done worse and Biden's affectionate nature should disqualify him?



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TweetyV6 said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:


What happened to #BeliveHer? oh, it is against one of your own? "that is nothing!"




Did you expect anything other then that?
Wonder how big the outcry would have been if would have been Trump.


Would have been trump? Lmao.

That pussy grabber trump, was accused of rape of a teenager, and accused of actual sexual harassment by ‘multiple women.’ The survivors will have their day, once trump is out of office. Stop excusing trump for his actions. Enablers just allow him to continue getting away with it.
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I believe he knows many more allegations are going to come forward and he staged this one to downplay the rest.

What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet?
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As I thought... The whataboutism is strong in this topic. The fact is if you thought Kavanaugh was disqualified then you must think the same here.


And note...I never said these actions were... To me it is something to consider. But it all goes back to what I've been saying all along... Be careful or the same might be used against you.
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SuperFurryAnimal said:

I believe he knows many more allegations are going to come forward and he staged this one to downplay the rest.



Aegations? Ha! They are on video....there is nothing to argue about in terms of did he...just why?
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I believe he knows many more allegations are going to come forward and he staged this one to downplay the rest.

Aegations? Ha! They are on video....there is nothing to argue about in terms of did he...just why?


And just exactly what did he do? That's the point. So far nothing. I know more women who always want to hug me when we meet at events and parties even though they know I hate it. Making people feel awkward is bad no doubt about it. And in this age, no one should put themselves in any situation that may be misconstrued, but again, SO FAR. As of this post nothing close to sexual harassment.

***that may change. we may get a serious allegation, in which case I will, of course, change my tune.

President Trump is a disgusting piece of shit.
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

As I thought... The whataboutism is strong in this topic.




exactly. and it pretty much started like this:

TweetyV6 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

What happened to #BeliveHer? oh, it is against one of your own? "that is nothing!"


Did you expect anything other then that?
Wonder how big the outcry would have been if would have been Trump.

Ideally speaking, the President of the United States and the dumbest person in the country would be two different people. Oh well....
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