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Reply #180 posted 09/20/18 4:35pm

toejam

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free2bFreeda2 said:

Imo many of us americans stand in support of Serena's feeling outraged at ramos' frivously issued call minus warnings.

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No, Serena was given a warning for the coaching. And Ramos listened respectfully to her first outburst, and gave her plenty of time to calm down. But Serena kept going. Violently throwing your racket to the ground is, I believe, an automatic warning-less point deduction. And enough was enough when Serena continued calling Ramos a "theif" some 10 seconds or so after she insisted that he no longer speak to her. Ramos absolutely made the right calls with calm and reserve. If I were LeBron James, I'd be looking elsewhere for a role model for my daughter - at least in regards to this incident. Ramos could be used as a role model for daughter-James - teaching her how to calmly stand up to bullies who try to play victim.

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Reply #181 posted 09/20/18 5:05pm

IanRG

free2bFreeda2 said:

PurpleSkipper58 said: free2bFreeda2 said: This post right here basically settles the debate.
speak for yourself.

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They are. The post is basically saying "We have to put up the President being made fun of in cartoons, so you have put up with your people being made fun of in our cartoons".

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It is all on the assumption that people who disagree with the far-right media (Alex Jones and Murdoch Press et al) don't understand that political cartoon caricatures in the media rely on being ireverent bordering on, but staying just this side of being too offensive. The argument is these cartoons are like sacred texts that can never be found actually offensive because it is all just in fun (knowoing it is always a fun that sticks it to our enemies).

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It shows a lack of understanding by them that these cartoonist working for Murdoch etc are subject to editorial policies. They miss that there have been other cartoons that have tripped over to being widely understood as no longer being funny because they have become offensive (and not just by Jihadists being upset by French political publications). The direction of the cartoons is aligned to the agenda of the publications - the editors refuse to publish ones that cross the line or not aligned with the agenda - This cartoonist will have had worse cartoons not published. They don't seem to understand that this cartoonist not just an artist but is mouth piece for their publication and conduit between their suppporters and their agenda. They serve the political agendas behind the editorial policies in just the same way as opinion pieces (Op Eds). They pander to the perceived views of their audience - be they the people appalled by Trump or those that harbour racist inspired views againts successful people from different races to them. They are the propandarists for their side. This thread shows their success - the majority of the worst parts of this discussion have been on the cartoon.

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Reply #182 posted 09/20/18 5:09pm

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IanRG said:

The post is basically saying "We have to put up the President being made fun of in cartoons, so you have put up with your people being made fun of in our cartoons".

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Just for the record, I'm all for President Trump being made fun of in cartoons (provided there is some underlying valid point, which for Trump there usually is!). It is not something I "put up with". I welcome Trump being cartooned.

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Reply #183 posted 09/20/18 5:16pm

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IanRG said:

[Such cartoons] serve the political agendas behind the editorial policies in just the same way as opinion pieces (Op Eds). They pander to the perceived views of their audience - be they the people appalled by Trump or those that harbour racist inspired views againts successful people from different races to them

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I don't dislike Serena because of her success, race or appearance. I disliked her attitude throughout the incident in question and I think the cartoon in question does a great job of lampooning such behaviour. She acted like a spoiled brat child.

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Reply #184 posted 09/20/18 5:21pm

IanRG

toejam said:

IanRG said:

[Such cartoons] serve the political agendas behind the editorial policies in just the same way as opinion pieces (Op Eds). They pander to the perceived views of their audience - be they the people appalled by Trump or those that harbour racist inspired views againts successful people from different races to them

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I don't dislike Serena because of her success, race or appearance. I disliked her attitude throughout the incident in question and I think the cartoon in question does a great job of lampooning such behaviour. She acted like a spoiled brat child.

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Always a justification but always on the side you are on.

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Reply #185 posted 09/20/18 5:36pm

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IanRG said:



free2bFreeda2 said:



PurpleSkipper58 said: free2bFreeda2 said: This post right here basically settles the debate.

speak for yourself.

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They are. The post is basically saying "We have to put up the President being made fun of in cartoons, so you have put up with your people being made fun of in our cartoons".


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It is all on the assumption that people who disagree with the far-right media (Alex Jones and Murdoch Press et al) don't understand that political cartoon caricatures in the media rely on being ireverent bordering on, but staying just this side of being too offensive. The argument is these cartoons are like sacred texts that can never be found actually offensive because it is all just in fun (knowoing it is always a fun that sticks it to our enemies).


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It shows a lack of understanding by them that these cartoonist working for Murdoch etc are subject to editorial policies. They miss that there have been other cartoons that have tripped over to being widely understood as no longer being funny because they have become offensive (and not just by Jihadists being upset by French political publications). The direction of the cartoons is aligned to the agenda of the publications - the editors refuse to publish ones that cross the line or not aligned with the agenda - This cartoonist will have had worse cartoons not published. They don't seem to understand that this cartoonist not just an artist but is mouth piece for their publication and conduit between their suppporters and their agenda. They serve the political agendas behind the editorial policies in just the same way as opinion pieces (Op Eds). They pander to the perceived views of their audience - be they the people appalled by Trump or those that harbour racist inspired views againts successful people from different races to them. They are the propandarists for their side. This thread shows their success - the majority of the worst parts of this discussion have been on the cartoon.


To be fair, Alex Jones isn’t all that “far-right”.
If you listen to his overall political stances, he sounds more like a Libertarian. In fact he’s he’s always been a Libertarian.
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Reply #186 posted 09/20/18 5:57pm

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Serena is a great athlete; not too bright, though.

No one likes an entitled little brat throwing a temper tantrum, then she has the nerve to blame everything on sexism? Wasn't her opponent a woman too? That's what makes this so laughable.

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Reply #187 posted 09/20/18 6:23pm

free2bFreeda2

Australian Football Players Wear Blackface to Dress Up as Venus and Serena Williams
September 19 2018
: https://www.google.com/am...liams/amp/

An Australian football club has apologized after a number of its players wore blackface while dressed up as Venus and Serena Williams in celebration of the end of the footballers’ season.

One member of the Australian Penguin Football Club, which is located in Tasmania, posted a photograph on a public Facebook causing outrage.

In the photo, which has since been removed from social media, players Mitch Stanley and Matt Chamberlain can be seen wearing tennis skirts and black wigs in addition to the black body paint plastered not only on their faces — but their entire bodies.

The celebration, which is known as Mad Monday, is a term widely used in Australia to refer to the traditional end-of-season festivities for football players.


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[i]racist mental illness running rapid in the region.[/b]
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Reply #188 posted 09/20/18 6:28pm

IanRG

PurpleSkipper58 said:

IanRG said:

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They are. The post is basically saying "We have to put up the President being made fun of in cartoons, so you have put up with your people being made fun of in our cartoons".

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It is all on the assumption that people who disagree with the far-right media (Alex Jones and Murdoch Press et al) don't understand that political cartoon caricatures in the media rely on being ireverent bordering on, but staying just this side of being too offensive. The argument is these cartoons are like sacred texts that can never be found actually offensive because it is all just in fun (knowoing it is always a fun that sticks it to our enemies).

.

It shows a lack of understanding by them that these cartoonist working for Murdoch etc are subject to editorial policies. They miss that there have been other cartoons that have tripped over to being widely understood as no longer being funny because they have become offensive (and not just by Jihadists being upset by French political publications). The direction of the cartoons is aligned to the agenda of the publications - the editors refuse to publish ones that cross the line or not aligned with the agenda - This cartoonist will have had worse cartoons not published. They don't seem to understand that this cartoonist not just an artist but is mouth piece for their publication and conduit between their suppporters and their agenda. They serve the political agendas behind the editorial policies in just the same way as opinion pieces (Op Eds). They pander to the perceived views of their audience - be they the people appalled by Trump or those that harbour racist inspired views againts successful people from different races to them. They are the propandarists for their side. This thread shows their success - the majority of the worst parts of this discussion have been on the cartoon.

To be fair, Alex Jones isn’t all that “far-right”. If you listen to his overall political stances, he sounds more like a Libertarian. In fact he’s he’s always been a Libertarian.

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Sounds too much like a Metalhead arguing over whether a metal band is thrash metal, death metal or doom metal.

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Reply #189 posted 09/20/18 8:22pm

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IanRG said:

PurpleSkipper58 said:

IanRG said: To be fair, Alex Jones isn’t all that “far-right”. If you listen to his overall political stances, he sounds more like a Libertarian. In fact he’s he’s always been a Libertarian.

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Sounds too much like a Metalhead arguing over whether a metal band is thrash metal, death metal or doom metal.

That's actually pretty accurate lol

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Reply #190 posted 09/20/18 8:41pm

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free2bFreeda2 said:

racist mental illness running rapid in the [Australian] region.

What's your point? Are you trying to suggest the Serena cartoon or myself are racist on the basis of guilty by association of being Australian?

Come back with something substantive - like how the cartoon actually is racist - how it degrades black people as lesser people - rather than your empty appeals to the majority opinion of social media, incorrect claims about the cartoon (e.g. that Naomi is depicted white), how great a player/person Serena normally is, or attempts to change topic by posting something else. What is it about the cartoon that has you thinking it is saying something negative about black people, as opposed to it simply humorously critiquing Serena's behaviour in that moment?

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Reply #191 posted 09/20/18 8:59pm

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toejam said:

I found her behaviour appalling, and I think the cartoon was funny and on point.

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SNIP _ Of4$

Don't laugh at my funk
This funk is a serious joint
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Reply #192 posted 09/20/18 9:04pm

IanRG

As an Australian, please don't assume my guilt on the basis of association with the Murdoch Press, what footballers get up to on Mad Monday or toejam.

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Reply #193 posted 09/20/18 9:13pm

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phunkdaddy said:



toejam said:


I found her behaviour appalling, and I think the cartoon was funny and on point.

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SNIP_Of4$.


I agree that her attitude was trash, but I wouldn’t knock Serena out for that. She’s just a troubled individual
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Reply #194 posted 09/20/18 9:16pm

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phunkdaddy said:



toejam said:


I found her behaviour appalling, and I think the cartoon was funny and on point.

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SNIP_Of4$



You don't think Serena's behaviour was appalling?
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Reply #195 posted 09/20/18 9:22pm

PurpleSkipper5
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Going back to how Alex Jones sounds,
He should do voice acting for anime
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Reply #196 posted 09/20/18 9:22pm

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toejam said:

phunkdaddy said:

SNIP_Of4$

You don't think Serena's behaviour was appalling?

She was a little overboard but the call was suspicious.

My problem with you is saying you approve of this cartoon when it's a known

fact that the author of this cartoon has a history of doing this very thing.

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Reply #197 posted 09/20/18 9:25pm

free2bFreeda2

toejam said:[quote]

free2bFreeda2 said:

racist mental illness running rapid in the [Australian] region.

What's your point? Are you trying to suggest the Serena cartoon or myself are racist on the basis of guilty by association of being Australian?
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come back with something substantive - like how the cartoon actually is racist - how it degrades black people as lesser people - rather than your empty appeals to the majority opinion of social media, incorrect claims about the cartoon (e.g. that Naomi is depicted white), how great a player/person Serena normally is, or attempts to change topic by posting something else. What is it about the cartoon that has you thinking it is saying something negative about black people, as opposed to it simply humorously critiquing Serena's behaviour in that moment?

those black face morons have nothing to do with you just because they are aussies.
they're just low level mentally deranged idiots.
note:
seems you are taking things pretty personal just because your Australian. 👀

how does it feel to think you are being stereotyped
just because you australian?
you have no reason(s) to feel insulted.
what is it about my mentioning those black face australians negatively that has you thinking it is saying something negative about you?

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Reply #198 posted 09/20/18 9:27pm

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I think the cartoon is funny and on point. Serena acted like a spoiled child. You're going to threaten me with physical violence for saying so?
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Reply #199 posted 09/20/18 9:30pm

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free2BFreeda, I don't feel insulted. I asked you a question.
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Reply #200 posted 09/20/18 9:57pm

IanRG

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You're going to threaten me with physical violence for saying so?

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Physical threats have no place here.
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Reply #201 posted 09/20/18 9:58pm

free2bFreeda2

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1. You're going to threaten me with physical violence for saying so?
toejam, now, you are getting just plain scary.
2.free2BFreeda, I don't feel insulted. I asked you a question.
toejam, wtf are you talking about?

"it's very difficult not to come across as a white supremacist when there are so many black inferiorists."
in turn
it is very difficult to come across as equal as a black citizen when there are so many sick white racist.
(thank the heaven there are many non racist whites that are free from chronic racial hatred nor do they suffer from serious superiority complex syndrome.)
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Reply #202 posted 09/20/18 10:13pm

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toejam said:
free2BFreeda, I don't feel insulted. I asked you a question. [Edited 9/20/18 21:34pm]
"it's very difficult not to come across as a white supremacist when there are so many black inferiorists." in turn it is very difficult to come across as equal as a black citizen when there are so many sick white racist. (thank the heaven there are many non racist whites that are free from racial hatred and do not suffer from superiority complex syndrome.)

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Do you think I'm a "racist white", unfree from "racial hatred", and who suffers from "superiority complex syndrome"?

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Reply #203 posted 09/20/18 10:21pm

free2bFreeda2

toejam said:



free2bFreeda2 said:


toejam said:
free2BFreeda, I don't feel insulted. I asked you a question. [Edited 9/20/18 21:34pm]

"it's very difficult not to come across as a white supremacist when there are so many black inferiorists." in turn it is very difficult to come across as equal as a black citizen when there are so many sick white racist. (thank the heaven there are many non racist whites that are free from racial hatred and do not suffer from superiority complex syndrome.)

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Do you think I'm a "racist white", unfree from "racial hatred", and who suffers from "superiority complex syndrome"?


please toe j, vanity aside the quotes are not addressing you.
the quotes are learning tools to hopefully wake you tfu.
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Reply #204 posted 09/20/18 11:11pm

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free2bFreeda2 said:

toejam said:

You're going to threaten me with physical violence for saying so?

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toejam, now, you are getting just plain scary.

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My comment was to phunkdaddy, who threatened to knock me the fuck out if I came to the States and expressed my opinion that the cartoon was funny and on point. My first ever threat of physical violence in years and years of online discussion.

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Reply #205 posted 09/20/18 11:27pm

IanRG

toejam said:

free2bFreeda2 said:

toejam said:

You're going to threaten me with physical violence for saying so?

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toejam, now, you are getting just plain scary.

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My comment was to phunkdaddy, who threatened to knock me the fuck out if I came to the States and expressed my opinion that the cartoon was funny on point. My first ever threat of physical violence in years and years of online discussion.

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[Edited 9/20/18 23:26pm]

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Mods: Such threats should not be tolerated here.

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Reply #206 posted 09/20/18 11:38pm

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^For the record, I'm happy for his comment to stand... Moderators' decision in the end...

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Reply #207 posted 09/21/18 12:59am

Purplegarden

Read one page, not all 7 so excuse me if I am late to the party - but that cartoon is racist, she looks like an over sized peacock with lips that cover the bottom half of her face.

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Despite the cartoon, her behaviour was childish and morally indefenable, it was pathetic and puerile her tantrum, such a professional sportsperson should know much better and conduct herself with more dignity and tact. It is a shame too she had to play the race and gender cards. It is not like she has won several titles already and needs to realise at the age of 37, her time as champ must be limited.

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Reply #208 posted 09/21/18 1:07am

Purplegarden

As a New Zealander of mixed race heritage can I just reiterate that some Australians (Well a lot mostly white and older) are very racist and have out dated views on people of colour. The country had a Whites only policy for immigration until 1966, and regarded its native Australian people (The term "Aborigine" I find racially offensive) as "Wildlife" until 1967.

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Fortunately some Australians like IanRG are fabulous and clearly do not exemplify this attitude, but many do and most defend it by saying "Get a sense of humour" and "We poke fun at everyone regardless of race" when in fact it is offensive. Even now the country has deeply racist pockets, a racist Politician called Pauline Hanson who hates Muslims, Immigrants and Koori/Murri/Torres Strait Islanders (Indigenous Australians). The minister Peter Dutton introduced a policy where Maori New Zealanders are deported back to NZ in chains and dumped at that airport or interred on Christmas Island even if born in Australia, Australia also sweeps the sea for Boat people and turns them back. It is controlled by right wing - borderline fascist governments and us New Zealanders are having our worst relations with them now.

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My country on the other hand bends over backwards for minorities, many people are mixed or non European and we have a liberal Socialist government. We are not perfect and have issues, but we try and accommodate people (We lifted our refugee quotas) and also shun Australia for its racist Deportation policy (As no European New Zealanders have been deported or sent to Xmas Island, just Maori and Pacific Islanders). Another point is that many Australians are descended from convicts, many New Zealanders descend from Middle class British settlers. If such an odious cartoon appeared in a NZ paper by a NZ artist, there would be an outcry and the cartoonist would be forced to apologise and resign.

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Some very racist cartoons from a cartoonist which mocked a breakfast in schools system as being abused by Maori beneficiaries (Welfare recipients for you Americans) and showing obese smoking Maoris abusing their "Benefits" caused an outrage. Before anyone brings it up, the cartoonist wrote for a South island newspaper. Our country has a "Backwards southern part too". Generally we have the cities of Auckland, Wellington and Dunedin which have a very liberal PC culture, but the heartland and Christchurch are much more racist and traditional and old attitudes hold firm there.

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Reply #209 posted 09/21/18 1:11am

Purplegarden

toejam said:

^For the record, I'm happy for his comment to stand... Moderators' decision in the end...

I will disagree, I feel violent threats against other members, despite their opinion should not be tolerated and the member "Phunkdaddy" should be forced to apologise to Toejam and have a nice holiday from the org and address his anger management issues.

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Time to chill in the Purple Garden cool

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Toejam - I disagree with you, but respect your right to your opinion and do not endorse any violent threats from our decide of the debates.

PS - is a new podcast on the books, I miss you guys!

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