poppys said:

13cjk13 said:

2elijah said:

poppys said:

I think there are more. The numbers they keep using only go to June 9, from what they told us. CBS this morning - they had no plan when they started No Tolerance. And they confirmed this -

PennyPurple said:

They started deporting some of the adults but their children are still being detained? WTH. Give them their kids back.

They are asking for 2 more tent detention centers on Texas military bases. You know, the ones that cost $775.00 per person per night. We could send every kid to college for that. Private contractors are RAKING IT IN. Follow the $$.

Yes poppy. You hit it right on the nose. Profiting from these babies just like our prison system, and trump is approving this. He is basically kidnapping those kids by refusing to return them to their parents, and sending the parents back without their kids. He is doing this horrible tactic to appease his base to show he is tough on immigration. He basically approved stealing children from other countries and holding them hostage. How is it that he could get away with doing this, without other countries not seeing this as a crime. Like I said from the start this immigration issue is about the fear of the browning of America.

Yep. These people and especially their children are Political Prisoners. They separated a 3 yr old whose grandmother was legally applying for asylum. She had full legal guardianship papers (raised the child) which were ignored. They don't know where she is.

Even after Katrina when Latinos came to work the disaster, wearing hazmat suits (or not), cleaning stuff NO ONE else would, we had blowback. One politician said - How does taco help gumbo? Face Palm. Thankfully, he went to jail for embezzling money after that - many do here, indiscriminately. And here's the kicker, he was not white either. Just an asshole politician trying to divide people who lost so much already.

[Edited 6/25/18 7:53am]

2elijah said:

poppys said:

I think there are more. The numbers they keep using only go to June 9, from what they told us. CBS this morning - they had no plan when they started No Tolerance. And they confirmed this -

PennyPurple said:

They started deporting some of the adults but their children are still being detained? WTH. Give them their kids back.

They are asking for 2 more tent detention centers on Texas military bases. You know, the ones that cost $775.00 per person per night. We could send every kid to college for that. Private contractors are RAKING IT IN. Follow the $$.

Yes poppy. You hit it right on the nose. Profiting from these babies just like our prison system, and trump is approving this. He is basically kidnapping those kids by refusing to return them to their parents, and sending the parents back without their kids. He is doing this horrible tactic to appease his base to show he is tough on immigration. He basically approved stealing children from other countries and holding them hostage. How is it that he could get away with doing this, without other countries not seeing this as a crime? Like I said from the start this immigration issue is about the fear of the browning of America. But no matter how much trump and a specific segment of his supporters think the immigration issue or the wall will prevent America from turning brown, it will not. It is already happening and will continue. I really think trump, his administration and a specific portion of trumps’ supporters want the days of slavery back. I doubt seriously that today’s Black and Brown population will lay down and allow that to happen. What all this is going to do is bring the Black and Brown together and stronger at the voting booth, because now many non-Black minorities are finally realizing America’s racism is not just towards Blacks, but towards many people of color in this country.

And hopefully White Women. You know, the ones who bore children and have grandchildren... Why are they not held accountable for this Trump travesty? I am ashamed to be one. I live in a majority black city. Why would I want to discount/not include - my neighbors? WW's are the voter third rail and they need to stop getting/giving themselves a pass.

poppys said:

13cjk13 said:

And The United States should be made accountable for their complicity in the problems in these Central American countries. History can be very inconvenient for your average self righteous, unaware, selfish, "christian" American. Sad but true.

Blame the victim instead of the violence being done to them.


And now OrangeTrash is trying to make immigration itself illegal by abolishing due process before a judge, treating those arriving as criminals and shipping them back immediately.

Yup - The language in that tweet was disgusting. Expected, but vile nonetheless.

[Edited 6/25/18 11:43am]

Cover of the year:

[Pic tooo way ass biiig for bandwidth - luv4u]

poppys said:

2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:

Yes it’s sad. He doesn’t even respect many White women. Not sure why so many voted for him.Did they fall for his false charisma? Were they intrigued the he is wealthy and had a reality show? They should have done their research. [Edited 6/25/18 15:12pm]

Many have said that they voted as " White" and not as "Women "

I can't understand it. Makes me really uncomfortable. They must love living in white enclaves (thanks Jim Crow). Another great white idea that has perpetuated racial division for an extra 100+ years. Guess they expect their children to do the same. That's not reality. That has never been reality. They are betting on the wrong horse. The future population is not whiter whites, ladies.

Did y'all see this??? Reminds me of using prisoners for medical guinea pigs.

https://www.sfgate.com/ne...023594.php

...While in detention, the government regularly places the minors on multiple antidepressants, anti-anxiety and other psychotropic medications without telling them what the drugs are or consulting their parents, the lawyers said. If they refuse, they are told they will be denied release or privileges, or they are forcibly fed the drugs, they said.

poppys said:

jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:
Many have said that they voted as " White" and not as "Women "

I can't understand it. Makes me really uncomfortable. They must love living in white enclaves (thanks Jim Crow). Another great white idea that has perpetuated racial division for an extra 100+ years. Guess they expect their children to do the same. That's not reality. That has never been reality. They are betting on the wrong horse. The future population is not whiter whites, ladies.

They saw Trump as the one who would preserve "White Privilege" for them and their family. Obviously that was more important than seeing a woman advance in society

Good article in Jacobin.

"For too long has the United States felt free to help lay waste to entire countries and skimped on cleaning up the mess. If an internationalist left is good for anything, its task must be to reverse both."

https://www.jacobinmag.co...y-cold-war

Deebee, check out Current Affairs mag

deebee said:

Good article in Jacobin.

"For too long has the United States felt free to help lay waste to entire countries and skimped on cleaning up the mess. If an internationalist left is good for anything, its task must be to reverse both."

https://www.jacobinmag.co...y-cold-war

Exactly. But I don't see anyone here saying it all started with Trump, The point is he has escalated it to the point of harming children the minute they get here - on purpose - with no other plan.

2freaky4church1 said:

Deebee, check out Current Affairs mag

I've read a couple of things from CA that were good. Nathan J. Robinson's critique of Lobster Boy was excellent - the most effective of the ones I've read - and he followed it up with another smart article on how to engage with such people. (Although, I have to say, that the article Robinson slates, and a follow-up interview about it, were quite revealing in attesting to Jordy's more loony, messianic side.)

Any other articles particularly worth a read?

His defense of SJWs. The story about the term, "The West."

poppys said:

deebee said:

Good article in Jacobin.

"For too long has the United States felt free to help lay waste to entire countries and skimped on cleaning up the mess. If an internationalist left is good for anything, its task must be to reverse both."

https://www.jacobinmag.co...y-cold-war

Exactly. But I don't see anyone here saying it all started with Trump, The point is he has escalated it to the point of harming children the minute they get here - on purpose - with no other plan.

Yeah that ^ it's part of The Make America White Again campaign.... based on = FEAR

Federal Judge in California Halts Splitting of Migrant Families at Border

https://www.nytimes.com/2...2792650627

DiminutiveRocker said:

Federal Judge in California Halts Splitting of Migrant Families at Border

WASHINGTON — A federal judge in California issued a nationwide injunction late Tuesday temporarily stopping the Trump administration from separating children from their parents at the border and ordered that all families already separated be reunited within 30 days.

Judge Dana M. Sabraw of the Federal District Court in San Diego said children under 5 must be reunited with their parents within 14 days, and he ordered that all children must be allowed to talk to their parents within 10 days.

“The unfortunate reality is that under the present system, migrant children are not accounted for with the same efficiency and accuracy as property,” the judge wrote.

Judge Sabraw’s order, which is likely to prompt a high-profile legal battle with the Justice Department, came on the same day that President Trump won a landmark legal victory when the Supreme Court upheld his travel ban, ending a 17-month legal fight.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...2792650627

The bolded statement is absolutely chilling, draws a line that needs to be drawn.

jjhunsecker said:

poppys said:

jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:

They saw Trump as the one who would preserve "White Privilege" for them and their family. Obviously that was more important than seeing a woman advance in society

Exactly. That’s why he uses the race card, and use Mexican immigrants, legal or illegal, as bait to blame them for crime in America, which is a bs lie. It’s his alarm for his white supporters to create fear in them, and lie to them about their opportunities being stolen by immigrants of color. His immigration issue is to keep more ’Brown and Black’ out of America. He wants the racial division to keep America more White. Many of his White supporters fell for his message, yet are being bamboozled, because no wall will keep America from becoming more Brown, no matter what s trump feeds them. He is feeding his supporters his own insecurities and fear of losing white privilege, that for so long has benefitted many within the White population.

This whle immigation stunt is so harmful and not even effective. The census shows that the population is growing more for minorities (Hispanic, Asian, Black) than caucasians in this country. The minorities WILL be the majority - it *is* happening!

2elijah said:

poppys said:

Did y'all see this??? Reminds me of using prisoners for medical guinea pigs.

https://www.sfgate.com/ne...023594.php

...While in detention, the government regularly places the minors on multiple antidepressants, anti-anxiety and other psychotropic medications without telling them what the drugs are or consulting their parents, the lawyers said. If they refuse, they are told they will be denied release or privileges, or they are forcibly fed the drugs, they said.

That’s exactly what I wondered about, when they wouldn’t allow anyone from the media in, especially to see and find out where the girls were. I wondered if they were giving them some kind of drugs. This country has a bad and long history of using people of color as guinea pigs.

oh, shit.

DiminutiveRocker said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

oh, shit.

Let’s hope they didn’t put anything in the food those girls and boys were eating. Trump’s administration is known for lying to the American people, and they have no regard nor do they give a damn about how they are affecting, the mental state of those children, because they come from Brown countries. Let’s not forget what happened to many Native Americans on their own land, when many early, European immigrants came over here, and some within that population did whatever they could to get rid of Native Americans and disrepected their culture/way of life. [Edited 6/27/18 17:35pm]

Can they be tested?

Now Melania is in Arizona.

And this is happening today:


https://www.kgw.com/video/news/federal-officers-move-in-on-ice-protest/283-8173623

Federal officers have broken up the protest against ICE in Portland today. When did DHS get a police force??